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  • RE: Repeal the Elected and Accountable Council Act 2020

    Debate starts NOW and will continue until 20:45 GMT on October 22nd, 2020.

    You disapprove of the way the European Council is portrayed in the Act? One of the core values of the European Union is democracy, as stated by the Preamble of the Constitution, and it is a value that the EU promotes. Why shouldn't the European Council, the greatest democratic decision-making body of the European Union's institutions, be an example of a democratically-elected body? To suggest otherwise not only weakens the European Union's promotion of democracy, but it would also make the European Union hypocritical on the matter. Your point on the ECoJ doesn't make any sense, precisely because it is not a legislature, and we are discussing who has legitimacy to legislate.

    For the most part, I disagree with your second point. Many of the so-called restrictions laid out in the Act are quite general, and don't even prohibit that example that you gave. There is nothing in the Act that states that people outside of the Kurultay can nominate themselves. It only states that "candidates for Councillor were able to freely nominate themselves", which of course can only be limited to the members of your Kurultay. It never states that any and all people are allowed to nominate themselves. There are restriction that could be put into place, and almost always do exist, to limit and define what an eligible 'candidate' is. For example, certain age restrictions or certain status, as you described with the Kurultay, could be put into place. Presumably, the restrictions have to be reasonable, otherwise it could be argued that the elections wasn't free or fair, but that's a completely different battle than the one you suggested.

    For your third point, this is something I actually agree with, I am not a fan of unlimited term limits. That clause exists, because when I was originally proposing the legislation, I consulted several of my colleagues on the matter, and the majority of them all wanted to see it in place. If you wanted to propose an amendment to remedy this specific clause, then I'd support such an amendment.

    As for your fourth point, I hear you. I don't think that anyone who supports a democratically-elected Council would suggest that it's better than a government-appointed one in each and every single measure, but rather, it's just the best of all options. Here's why:

    It is perfectly valid and legitimate for the people to elect a certain government for their member state, but select someone else not from the government to represent them in the European Council. We've seen this time and time again within the European Union, and for a long time, I myself was an example of this. The duties of a member state's government and the European Council, while they sometimes may overlap, are fundamentally very different things. You realise, as a Councillor, while you represent Alkharya, you make decisions and vote on things which directly change and impact the laws in all member states, including Inquista, Spain, Ruthund and so on? Your government and the Kurultay do not have any legal jurisdiction over these countries, and no matter how hard the Kurultay may try, it cannot pass laws that change laws in Inquista. It simply isn't Inquista's legislature. Thus, the jurisdiction of your Councillor and the Kurultay are completely different, and are concerned with very different things. Thus, we can see also how European Council is intertwined with shaping the direction of all of the European Union. Furthermore, while it is common that countries also hold elections on the matter, it is actually up to Councillors to vote in European Commission and European Court of Justice elections. Again, this has to do with European-wide affairs which escape the legal jurisdiction of your national government or legislature, as these bodies directly impact other member states and their own jurisdictions.

    There are also many further points to make in the case for the EACA. The European Council can, as I already explained, make decisions which are far-reaching across all of Europe. Councillors are actually very powerful legislators. It is irresponsible, and quite frankly, extremely illiberal, to make these powerful legislators unaccountable to the public. A frequent criticism of the European Council and of the European Union prior to the EACA was that the EU had a major democratic deficit, in which unelected bureaucrats were hiding in the shadows of Europolis, making powerful decisions, and members of the public got no say in this whatsoever. Eurosceptics and nationalists chastised the European Council, calling it undemocratic, they questioned its legitimacy, since nobody had chosen these legislators, or even heard of them, and some even wanted to abolish the European Council altogether. Well, now the power rests in the hands of the people. Now they're upset that the people get to actually choose, and not their government.

    Legislators, especially ones of great importance, such as those in the European Council, ought to be elected. While I'm sure your country may have an extraordinarily enlightened and technocratic government - and I don't mean that facetiously - but you don't need to be a regular observer of politics to understand how the inner working of politics works. Members of a government will ultimately choose someone who is a reliable mouthpiece for them and their party, who probably has the most friends and influence in the government, as their Councillor, and all qualifications and expertise are often secondary consideration for appointment. I am sure you and other supporters of appointed Councillors will get very angry with me for suggesting this, but let us not pull the wool over the public's eyes and suggest that’s not how politics often works. People aren't fools. That's precisely why the people ought to elect their councillors, as they are far more likely to be a better judge of what would actually make a good councillor based on the public's own measure of merit and qualifications.

    I will limit myself to one final point for the sake of brevity. The European Union has, and has had, many member states which proudly and openly describe themselves as non-democratic. I'm not a fan of this, but fine, so be it. However, if these self-described non-democratic states were also able to appoint un-elected councillors to our chamber, then that would be a slap in the face, and in which case, the European Council would truly be a cabal of illiberal bureaucrats who dictated EU law without any accountability, and that would be a great shame.

    I hope that the power of the European Council continues to lie in the hands of the European people. I am proud to be a representative of the Inquistan people, who I am honoured to serve.

    Edward Firoux
    Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

    posted in European Council
  • RE: Papacito and the Archbishop

    "I think that sounds lovely! A very great idea," Mikaela agreed emphatically.

    "With Inquista suspending all trade with Icholasen, Spain has become Inquista's largest trading partner. Creating an economic area between Inquista and Spain would be most beneficial to the growth of our economies, the prosperity of our businesses, and the prices paid by our consumers. I propose that we eliminate all tariffs and trade barriers between our countries, creating a single economic area. Hopefully with the Treaty of Finisterre signed soon, this will also compliment our common currency."

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  • RE: Copala City Election Results

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  • RE: Embassy Applications

    @Mark-Hornsey Accepted! You can find the United Kingdom embassy here.

    Antoni Reynels
    Commissioner of Foreign Affairs

    posted in International Embassies
  • Embassy of United Kingdom

    This is the embassy of United Kingdom.

    United Kingdom is a British-themed region with an active roleplay community on NationStates and on its own forum, which can be found here. United Kingdom holds regular elections, has an active parliament, and has several devolved nations (Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland) which provide added areas of activity. The region also has an active discord server.

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  • RE: Premios Princesa de Asturias 2020

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    "I'd like to thank your Majesties, Royal Highnesses, and the esteemed members of the Princesa de Asturias Foundation who have bestowed this honour upon the European Union. During tumultuous times like these, the European Union has made tremendous strides in fostering international cooperation across Europe, overcoming our divides and building a common community that is more harmonious, collaborative and united.

    It is special to receive this award just three days before the European Union celebrate its first Europe Day. The European Commission, which includes my dear friends Premier Merkel and Commissioner Juncker, has been working tirelessly to serve the European people, and to advance the European Union's values of peace, democracy and human rights. We thank you for recognising our work and our value, and we thank you, the Royal Household, and the Kingdom of Spain, for being an integral part of our success.

    Thank you so much!"

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  • RE: A Summit of Unlikely Sisters

    "She does not have a name! You should definitely give her a name. Maybe something in Czech? Hmmm. I don't know much Czech, but I do remember this one word that this Czech Worker's Paper called me... I think it was "děvka"? I think it means beautiful, right? Inquistan Terriers are very great with kids! They're very protective of them."

    Mikaela sipped the rest of her wine to completion, until she then poured herself another glass. "Yes this is local, but I guess it depends on how you define local. Inquista has many wine distilleries and breweries where we produce our own wines, but we import all of our grapes. We don't have any room of vineyards, or any agriculture, really."

    The Archbishop then ate a bit of her mint ice cream before continuing. "It's true, not all forms of penetration are good. Sister Helen at the Saint Dominico's Academy of the Cross always warned me about penetration, and I have always practiced it safely since."

    Mikaela drank some wine and then continued to talk. "There is absolutely nothing wrong with living in Ibiza, I love spending lots of time there myself. It's just that Ani isn't the same when she doesn't have her royal duties to keep her busy. Now she's spending all her time swiping on Tinder, hooking up with young tourists that come visit the island, and allowing Tommy to surround her with bad influences. Between you and me Mira, I don't think Ani is as sceptical of penetration as we are. I don't think I could handle becoming the godmother to another child of hers. That's a lot of pressure!"

    Mikaela then finished her glass of wine, and motioned for a waiter to come over and bring a new bottle of wine. The waiter returned with a new bottle, poured the Archbishop a glass, and then left the bottle at the table before walking away. Mikaela took a sip before then resuming her attention to Prime Minister Černá.

    "The economic system in Czech Slavia is very interesting. Well, I suppose that rules out any proposals I was going to make about investing in Czech Slavia. I know you say we shouldn't be harsh on our Nicoleizian friends, but ugh... we have to, and I hate that. I don't really don't like it. Unfortunately, sometimes in a messy breakup, as a friend, you just gotta pick a side, you know? I'm super loyal to my sis Ani, and so I have to have her back 100%. For me, loyalty is everything, and I super respect that you're supporting your friends in the UNSR. Even though we disagree, I really appreciate your sense of comradery, and I hope that you know that I will always offer that level support and friendship to you and your government as well, because you're just the best Mira."

    Mikaela downed her glass of wine and then poured herself another. She then opened up her purse and pulled out a piece of paper, which she studied as she began to speak.

    "Ok, so my cousin Silas wanted me to bring up something super boring... trade. Boring, I know! That's why I asked about the economic situation earlier. Buuuuuut, because Inquista is now in this unfortunate situation where we aren't trading with Icholasen, we've now lost our best trade partner. As a city-state, we basically import all our natural resources. As you can probably imagine, Inquista needs many resources to support our businesses.

    According to this list my cousin gave me, Czech Slavia has lots of iron, phosphate and rare earth metals. This list also says that Czech Slavia is the only country where we can currently import rare earth metals from. I don't even know what those are. Well, iron I know is important for blood. Never heard of phosphate though. Are rare earth metals like expensive rocks? Apparently Inquista imports a lot of those, which seems silly, because I don't know what we do with rocks.

    Anyway, so because state companies can trade with foreign companies, that means that Inquistan companies could buy from your mining companies? It would be great if this this was allowed, and if your government would allow Inquistan companies to buy all metals and minerals from your country with as few restrictions as possible. In return, my cousin said he would eliminate all Inquistan tariffs placed on Czech metals and minerals, encouraging more Inquistan businesses to buy from your businesses, and reducing costs for Inquistan consumers. How does this sound?"

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  • RE: Amendment to Article 2 proposition

    Councillor Gökçen, that is quite the personal attack against Councillor Farage Johnsen. I ask that you please refrain from making such personal digs at another esteemed member of this Council, and instead, save and channel all your contempt towards me. I am quite used to being the boogeyman, and so I will happily take on the role as your punching bag. However, all other Councillors are off-limits, and I ask that you withdraw your comments about Councillor Farage Johnsen.

    Considering the level of your scorn, Councillor, I'm not even sure if I want to debate you, in part because I don't want to provoke another tirade, but also because I don't think you're even faintly interested in what others will have to say, and so therefore a discussion would be pointless. So I will only address you this one time and leave it at this.

    Government appointees are not inherently more more qualified than elected candidates. Typically election are held with the exact premise that the most qualified person gets elected, rather than gets chosen by a single or group of politicos. Of course, the term qualified is a completely loaded term, but if anyone is to decide what counts as 'qualified', then it ought to be the people themselves, rather than their political friends and buddies in government.

    As Councillor Helhuan pointed out, not only is the Council a democratic institution, but democracy is a core tenant of the European Union, and it is a value enshrined in our Constitution. Your problem with democracy seems to have a highly personal element to it. From what you've said, I seem to get the impression you didn't like the fact that other people were able to nominate themselves and run against you for election? Yikes.

    Anyway, let's keep the discussion to the proposal at hand.

    Edward Firoux
    Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

    posted in European Council