The Greens - Talkshop



  • Hello my fellow members of the European Green Party!

    Please use this thread to discuss internal party matters such as Green Party discussions and important topics and issues...

    As a sidenote: Observers and Guests from other parties are welcome to read over our discussions. The Greens believe in 'Open Politics'.

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    Eva Straus MEP, Party Leader,
    [European Green Party] - Real Progress



  • Well I will get the ball rolling... We have recieved an offer of membership to join the COTL or the Coalition of the Left from the European Liberal Party. Its hard to deny that in essence they do share perspective with us on many of our issues and policies. Is that perhaps reason enough to enter into this cross-party coalition in the European Parliament?

    Whatever attraction a coalition of parties may have, we need to concentrate on what is actually doable. That is, we need to form a coalition of voters and, to attract them, a coalition of ideas.

    As Greens we advocate thinking globally and acting locally. We stand for a free, democratic and social Europe in a peaceful, equitable and environmentally sustainable world. We defend values like justice, human and citizen's rights, solidarity, sustainability and the right of each individual to lead their own lives, free from fear.

    We proudly stand for the sustainable development, a mode of development respectful of human rights and built upon the values of environmental responsibility, freedom, justice, diversity and non-violence.

    Can we achieve this as part of the COTL? Lets discuss it...

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    Eva Straus MEP, Party Leader,
    [European Green Party] - Real Progress



  • **It is possible that by becoming members of the COTL the Green Party will indeed be able to form a more solid base for expansion of our interests. I see the following benefits in doing so:

    1. Providing a unified 'left' image and building consensus on important issues such as our key policies: A Cleaner Environment, A Fairer Society, Safe-Sustainable Energy, Healthy Food and Healthy People.

    2. Developing meaningful partnerships with other party leaders to bring
    about important changes in the way we can do work in the parliament.

    But before I sign off on any such alliance with them, I'd like to see a bit more information on them. They seem to be centralised in the ELP HQ, I see that as a bit counter-productive for the coalition's aims. It should be a distinct cross-party involvement with its own meeting place etc.**



  • Thats a very good point Galen, I can see that as it stands COTL has not really gotten too far in its goals for a united right. Apart from the EPP-ED and ourselves there is not really alot of choice in the Parliament for coalition partners. And the fact that as Greens, we still need to get ourselves organised coherently, I think it would be a bad idea to attempt to proceed down this road any further at this time. Thats not to say that it is not an option to consider in the near future.

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    Eva Straus MEP, Party Leader,
    [European Green Party] - Real Progress



  • Yes I think at this time it would perhaps be for the best if we left it. We have considerable in-party organisation to work out and especially now since we have a canditate running for the European Commission! ((Points at Eva)). Yes I think its best for now if we leave it to one side.



  • Well I have just made our stance on the issue clear. It is a matter we will pick up later on, I see it as a very generous extending hand from them.

    In other matters, I think its high time we sit down and discuss some internal party matter just like you said Galen. We need to think out how exactly we are going to structure this party so that it can achieve its goals. I'm not in the business of being an undisputed leader, so we'll look at that too. And my thanks about the EC comment. Yes, I have taken the position of putting my name forward as a canditate for election in the upcoming race.

    How about we propose a day to discuss these matters and more (given I need to catch a flight back to Askira shortly), and we can discuss, plan and enjoy the true creation of this party!

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    Eva Straus MEP, Party Leader,
    [European Green Party] - Real Progress



  • **Very well, I would like to do the same. We will define the roles and responsibilities of party members and staff (?) in the party, and make this one of the finest the Parliament has to offer!

    This Friday any good?**



  • Yes that is very good. I shall schedule an official meeting and we can get down to business.

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    Eva Straus MEP, Party Leader,
    [European Green Party] - Real Progress



  • Ok so its Friday. Shall we get things moving? I guess the first thing we need to assess is our party structure. In term of that structure, how do we wish to have it? Clearly it is preferable to keep yourself Eva in as Party Leader. This Party was founded under you and has grown with your hand. So are we agreed that Eva Straus (Askira) is to remain as Party Leader? I certianly am.



  • Thank you Galen for your support on that matter. I myself feel to be up to the job and so if there are no objections I would very much like to continue my role as Party Leader in the times to come.

    I would like to begin by saying that for the Greens environmental and social problems don't begin or stop at individual EU member nations' borders. For us building a wall and closing one's eyes to what is happening afar is not an option. We greens see the EU as a viable means to change the way we live on this Earth. Sustainable life. Both for us and our world. That is why we need to create a solid platform from which we can effect the needed change effectively.

    The increasing lack of social justice, especially concerning jobs and future perspectives for young women and men, the running down of human and citizens' rights in times of terrorism, the growing influence of organised crime, the nuclear backlash as well as the deterioration of ecological criteria and of course the issues that still persist at the EU institutional level are, among other things, of deep concern for Greens all over Europe, our region.

    Therefore the focus of this conference is to bring to the forefront of our party the concern and urgent matters we see at EU level, because the state and politics of the European Union have decisive influence not only on what happens inside the European Union but also on the development of other parts of Europe as well as on each and every person in this region.

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    Eva Straus MEP, Party Leader,
    [European Green Party] - Real Progress



  • One of my primary concerns is what to do for a sucessor treaty to the Climate Change Act. I have a bill of amendments that will put all the provisions of the Act into 'act'ion (ha, ha; punny; ouais, c'est mal). I think that some sort of retirement plan could be explored; i.e. pensions, etc. I think, though, that an EU minimum wage bill would be simplest and best.



  • **Oh very much so yes, the European Union is a success story. Never before have the people of Kobail enjoyed such peace for such a long time as we have here. In wide ranging respects, the EU has played a positive role for the political and economic, social and environmental evolution in Europe. It has been a positive actor in the promotion of peaceful solutions to ongoing international conflicts.

    However, at the moment, the EU is in a political crisis. Presently, we don't have enough concise legislation in power to really effect much change in our regional climate. So as you said Jim Harris, we really do need to follow up on that.

    As far as pensions go, I would like to see a standardised system in place that can really afford good care for the eldary instead of meaningless and unworthy allowences.**



  • In its functioning and structure the EU has relatively invested too much in the logic of a market-driven competitive development and too little in the promotion of a European model of solidarity. The contrast between on the one hand the 'hard law' of monetary rules and on the other hand the 'soft law' of the open coordination method in social policies is untenable. If the European project wants to convince the citizens, this stalemate has to be solved. People need to be looked after here. I feel that is a point with which the current Union and even Commission has not lived up to.

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    Eva Straus MEP, Party Leader,
    [European Green Party] - Real Progress



  • So we are agreed that a unified action must be taken to amend the EU's current flawed structure on that matter. That we should create legislation but perhaps more than that, some fresh-thinking and new life into that policy area. Good.



  • As Michael Howard would say, where does that leave the minimum wage? (sorry, I'll try to involve as few real people as possible; just couldn't resist) I think I may be one of those capitalist hardliners of which you speak. I do, however, agree with you on many issues. I think the thing that has most been an obstacle is the rhetoric. Personally, when you say people should be taken care of, I think of Margaret Thatcher (sorry) screaming, "No, no, no!" Despite this, I agree with you in practise, however, I simply have problems calling it that. I agree to national insurance, minimum wage, pensions, etc., however, I cannot tolerate government ownership of industries. Government ownership of the health service also tweaks with me (I did say I agreed to national insurance, and, yes, the NHS does creep me out). I do, however, agree with Tony Blair (again, sorry) when he says, "a health service free at the point of use." So, as you see, I do have, essentially, the same goals, I simply object to the way the left often expresses them. (not that I've had any of these objections with either of you)

    N.B. - I apologise for my exigent use of 'you' and vow to tidy this up in the future.

    [added in light of new posts]
    I, too, agree that the EU government is incoherent; in fact, I would say that no such thing exists. I proposed a government bill a few weeks back that would allow for the formation of a coherent governing structure that could marginally be called, 'the will of the people'. Such a government, I believe, would also be able to front a coherent legislative programme.


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    "Forgive me for meddling with your party's affairs, but I can tell for certain that the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and its Central Committee bear interest towards regional environmental reforms" spoke Felix Nevskyy as he stood up, having just hung up the phone. "In light of the decisions made during the 31st CPSU Congress, my political party is eager to not only assist you in any manner deemed possible and acceptable, in order to secure greener policies for the European Union, but also concerning social welfare programmes such as retirement plans, social insurance, establishment of minimum wages across EU member-states, and the like."

    Felix paused for a few seconds before he continued, only to drink some waters. "The CPSU and the EGP certainly have many points in which they can agree to, however, certain points mention, such as our Derbyshire colleagues' intolerance towards socialist economics and free, government-distributed services, are definitely not a point we agree to. However, we would like to see an expansion across Europe to match Soviet standards in services; an adequate public transport infrastructure by land, sea and air, enhancement of the middle and low class agricultural producers with government funding or loans, enhancement of public education and healthcare across the EU, and the like. In fact, we are certain that we can dispatch official governmental support concerning these points."

    "Perhaps the Green Party and the Soviet Union could cooperate more closely and give a bright and warm example to the rest of the region. The CPSU and the member parties of the EGP could cooperate, as governing parties, to begin establishing the said proposals if they are deemed acceptable, and as for our comrades who are not yet with cabinet members among their ranks, we can assist them to persuade the parliament and government of their countries for close cooperation with the rest of us. With the muscle of the Soviet and Askiran industry behind us, as a coalition of cooperatives, we have absolutely nothing to fear, especially if it has to do with lack of means of production."



  • Government ownership of industries could never be a functioning factor of such services. "Health is a state of complete physical, mental, social and spiritual well-being, and not merely the absence of disease" (World Health Organisation definition). Health focuses not just on the physical but also the spiritual, the mental and emotional and the social - family and community and the 'interconnectedness' of these dimensions.

    I believe the Green Party's vision should be for a holistic social security, health and disability system, focused on promoting good health, reducing the risk and impact of illness, impairment and injury, and improving quality of life. The Green Party should support the provision of equitable and adequate rehabilitation and compensation for people suffering impairment, enevitably creating a comprehensive Accident Compensation scheme as well?

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    Eva Straus MEP, Party Leader,
    [European Green Party] - Real Progress



  • I must say I enjoy the company of Mr. Nevskyy in this topic. He brings to bear another aspect of discussion. Although I side myself with a more 'capitalist' tendancy for services I don't take the word standardisation lightly. He mentioned it should play a key role in our polices. 'expansion across Europe to match Soviet standards in services'. So standardisation. I like the idea of national systems being of equal standards but I would be hessitant in implementing it, considering the various reactions it could recieve. Your nation possess the largest areas Mr. Nevskyy, but they are arguably the best. By what measure should we standardise by?



  • I agree entirely. My previous statement was simply to outline conservative misconceptions. I mean the USSR no harm; Mrs. Thatcher brings out reactions in all people. biggrin.gif

    Mme. Straus, what is your vision for how to translate these goals and aims into reality? What sort of legislation? (I am not being critical; I am simply eager to hear.) Waiting targets? Banning junk food promotions?



  • Its a well known fact that to improve the health of our citizens we have to improve environmental, economic, and social conditions. The causes of ill health in the EU include economic, social and environmental conditions such as air and water pollution, toxins, pesticide contamination, bad diet, poverty, unemployment, poor education, poor quality housing, and poor social cohesiveness. These are issues regardless of left-right doctrine we need to resolve.

    Unlike any other political entity here today, the Greens have a much easier role to play. We don't have to sacrifice the quality of services because of left-right ideology. Be it state owned services not having enough money or private owned services not providing services for disadvantaged etc... We can legislate the balence needed. That what this party is all about.

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    Eva Straus MEP, Party Leader,
    [European Green Party] - Real Progress