THE DEBATE
PART II
"Question and Answer"
Sørfremetia Kringkastingssenter
Rhodenheim, Blumenfeld
14 June 2020
20h35 FST
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KS: Welcome back to Decision 2020 on SR1 and NRK.
ELECTION THEME PLAYS
KT: Tonight, we come to you live from Rhodenheim where the seven leaders of Fremet’s seven largest parties have gathered in the only full debate of the election cycle.
KS: Earlier, we heard opening statements from the candidates before recessing for a short break.
KT: We now move on to the question and answer portion of the debate. As a reminder, for this portion of the debate, each candidate will be allotted 3 minutes to answer each of the four questions this evening.
KS: Our first question this evening comes from Anika Hansen, a 32 year old schoolteacher here in Rhodenheim.
KT: Anika asks, “Housing expenses for both renters and owners have risen across Fremet by an average of 8% over the last 5 years. What will you and your parties do to address rising housing costs in Fremet?”
KS: Skei Grande, you may begin.
SG [Venstre]:
All Fremetians have a right to adequate housing, and the Von der Leyen administration has neglected the Bundeswohnungsamt, the agency tasked with making sure that that right is observed. The Venstre support the revitalization of the Bundeswohnungsamt, expanding its operations to offering low-to-no interest loans to encourage home ownership in Fremet. In addition, we will support urban housing subsidies, encouraging developers through tax incentives and subsidies to build affordable housing in Fremet’s dense urban areas.
KT: Dr Solberg?
ES [Sosialistpartiet]:
Skei is right. Housing is a right. Ursula and the Liberaldemokraten party have refused to dive in and address the failures latent in this critical agency. While subsidies do provide for the construction of additional housing for Fremetians, the true path towards wealth in a capitalistic society is through property ownership, sadly, that isn’t always possible with such programs. As such, the Socialist Party will continue to support strengthening the status of housing co-ops in Fremet. 85% of Fremetians already live and own shares in a housing cooperative, and this system has served us well for decades. We can continue to build upon this by strengthening the Bundeswohnungsamt, granting new cash infusions to aid in the establishment and continued success of housing cooperatives across the country. New luxury housing developments in Fremet’s largest cities must not be tolerated to the degree they are today. Few are able to reap the benefits of these new developments, and even fewer are Fremetian. We must not allow our great cities to become playgrounds for the wealthy. Anika, Rhodenheim has bore the brunt of the increase in housing costs. We must act to prevent our dedicated public servants from being priced out of the communities they serve. As such, the Socialist Party will support a national initiative to limit luxury housing in high-density areas, ensuring that all Fremetians have access to fair and reasonable housing. We must not fall into the trap of allowing citizens to undertake hours-long commutes to work, school, and the like for the sake of living expenses. Such efforts only serve to normalise exorbitant housing costs and put a strain on infrastructure in our major cities. By utilising programmes to strengthen the appeal of housing cooperatives in Fremet, we can keep costs and commute times under control and maintain steady growth in our cities and foster stable, quality housing developments in more rural areas. In addition, our plan to nationalise all public utilities in Fremet would also serve to reduce living expenses as we continue to further integrate our energy grid, taking advantage of economies of scale and reducing costs for all Fremetians. These initiatives will ensure the continued growth and prosperity of population centres across Fremet and continue our long-held tradition of shared ownership.
KS: Prime Minister, your response?
VDL [Liberaldemokraten]:
Housing cooperatives were a fantastic solution for the housing issues of the 20th century, but rising costs, increased mobility, and extreme demand in urban areas have put a strain on our system. I’m all for expanding regulations to ensure that these new luxury apartments are actually occupied, but restricting housing growth to cooperatives hinders the ability of developers to gather capital for future projects. Anika, I understand your concern. Rhodenheim has grown exponentially, and pricing has matched this immense growth. While we continue to increase teacher pay to match the rise in living expenses, we must introduce other programs to ensure that all members of the community have equal access to fair, affordable, and quality housing. We will maintain existing co-op standards in urban and high-growth areas and place renewed restrictions on luxury housing approvals.
We have introduced a new program that will maintain the current levels of housing cooperative ownership, but allow for complete home ownership in less-dense areas of Fremet. By allowing for increased economic freedom and independence on an individual basis, we can induce continued economic asset growth in our citizenry while keeping housing prices down where it counts.
KT: Ms Bastholm?
AB [Grønne]:
Cost is not the only crisis we face. The rise in urban sprawl has put a strain on the environment and threatens the continued existence of Fremet’s vast swathes of greenspace that have helped keep our country so beautiful. With new housing subsidies, we can reduce urban sprawl by increasing the density in developed areas and reduce the need for new housing and commercial development that would damage Fremet’s ecology. Anika, Rhodenheim is a large city, but it has fallen into the trap sprawling suburbs. We must reinvigorate our centre cities to build larger, more sustainable cityscapes that serve the needs of all members of the community— natural and human.
KS: Ms Oleman, it is your turn to respond.
NO [Høyre]:
Why is Anika concerned about rising housing costs if she lives in a co-op? Could it be because of the difficulty in finding a co-op with openings in Fremet’s urban centres? Housing cooperatives reduce the cost of housing, yes, but they also can heavily restrict people’s ability to move from one place to another. It is increasingly difficult to move house in Fremet, and the free market has an answer. By reducing the strain that housing cooperatives place on the real estate market in Fremet, we can garner new economic activity and truly widen the scope of an untapped sector of the Fremetian economy. Allow the market to asses the need of housing and address the issues of availability and movement on our island. We will be all the better for it.
KT: Thank you Ms Olemann. Mr Hartmann, you may begin.
MH [Fortschrittspartei]:
Housing cooperatives are unsustainable as a means of maintaining the supply of housing as our population growth continues to accelerate. We must seek intelligent solutions that combine government efforts, guided by the free market, to achieve a stable and prosperous housing market that will serve all Fremetians. Anika, I hear your concerns. No hard working Fremetian should feel as though they are being forced to move further and further away from their place of work just to make ends meet. We must take action to find a solution to this problem and act accordingly.
KS: Thank you Mr Hartmann. Last in the speaking order for the first question tonight is Mr Corbychov. You may begin when ready.
JC [Rødt]:
Comrades, the price of housing is simply TOO DAMN HIGH! We must act before it is too late! We must bolster our defenses against treacherous and money-grubbing landlords and keep the dream of fair and equal housing alive for all Fremetians. Collective ownership organisations, like Fremet’s illustrious and highly successful housing cooperatives are the path to the future. We must bolster these existing systems and increase government subsidies to reduce the costs of new developments and increase availability of housing in urban and rural areas alike, allowing for increased mobility for all Fremetians. Markus may speak of intelligent solutions, but he has proposed nothing. Our government must stand and serve all Fremetians, or It does not deserve to stand at all.
KT: Thank you, Mr Corbychov. We now move to the next question.
KS: Our next question comes from Inquista. Amelia Laurentius from Saint Dominico asks, “Do you believe that Fremet should play a role in establishing international order following the chaos of recent European politics? If so, what role should Fremet play?”
KT: Ms Oleman, you may answer first.
NO [Høyre]:
Thank you for your question Amelia, we all appreciate your interest in the future of our nation. For the European Union is to function as a united, cohesive body, it requires the participation of all of its members to ensure the continued success of freedom and democracy in Europe. That being said, we will not fall into the trap of being the world’s policeman. Quite simply: look at the absolute mess that resulted from Inquista’s valiant aid rendered to Reitzmag at the height of the communist uprising. What was the thanks they received? An international incident and threat of war. Protecting order is a thankless job indeed, and Fremet has long-considered it one not worth undertaking. While I support recent actions taken by this government to ensure the stability and lasting security of both Fremetian democracy and the order in Fremet’s sphere of influence. The DU and Angleter both tried international interventionism. Look at them, still trying to clean up the mess. I won’t have our nation dragged down by needless, endless conflict on the other side of the continent. Our efforts should focus on ensuring the lasting safety of Fremetian citizens and assets abroad, taking proactive action in order to prevent prolonged conflict. Thank you.
KS: Thank you Ms Oleman. We now move on to the Prime Minister. Ms Von der Leyen, your answer?
VDL [Liberaldemokraten]:
Amelia, I appreciate your question. Fremet has an excellent opportunity here to build lasting relationships with our allies and protect our interests abroad. Through increased cooperation with the European Council and with democracies across Europe, we can build a diplomatic framework that encourages stability and is able to respond swiftly to threats to collective interests. Fremet has a key role to play in the future of this region, and we must not shy away from our responsibility to protect the free peoples of Europe.
KT: Thank you Madam Prime Minister. Ms Grande, you may begin when ready.
SG [Venstre]:
These are troubled times for Europe. For decades, Fremet has waited in the shadows, not sure of when to emerge. While I think participation is imperative if Fremet is to remain relevant in the international politick, we must be careful not to plunge ourselves head first into the next TS or DK. We must find the balance between maintaining a healthy distance and participation in critical initiatives in order to ensure the continued safety and stability of the European Union.
KS: Thank you Ms Grande. Ms Solberg, your response?
ES [Sosialistpartiet]:
Amelia, thank you for reaching out to us with this excellent question. For many years, Fremet has considered the problems of the continent just that, problems the continent must solve. We can no longer use our separation as a shield. Our world is more connected than ever before, and a communist revolt on the other side of the continent has ramifications that reverberate thousands of kilometres away. You ask what role we envision Fremet playing in maintaining the international order, if any. If we are to truly become full-fledged members of the international community, we must enact a policy of “Proactive Diplomacy.” What does this mean? We must nurture an ability to predict diplomatic events before they occur, taking necessary steps to protect Fremetian interests before the proverbial excrement hits the air-mover. So that, when something does happen, we have resources positioned to handle any threat to Fremetian sovereignty or interest. It is time for our isolation to end and for us to finally embrace the new world order. We cannot expect to continue to hide behind our garden hedge and continue on as we have for decades. While caution is always necessary, especially regarding Fremet’s delicately balanced insular economy, we cannot allow for isolationism to take root and relegate Fremet to a nation on the sidelines. In this century, we must build our soft power if we are to be a prosperous nation, as we cannot rely on sheer might to secure our interests at home and abroad. With Angleter and the DU having largely retreated from European politics, I believe that Fremet can play a unique role in establishing the international order through building lasting partnerships with continental nations to secure like-minded interests and broaden Fremet’s diplomatic influence across the continent, decreasing our expenditure of limited resources on military and hard assets, allowing for us to focus on building a better, safer, and more prosperous Fremet— and a better Europe.
KT: Thank you Ms Solberg. Ms Bastolm, you may begin.
AB [Grønne]:
Amelia, the international order is a corrupt morass, drifting from one self-serving interest to another. If we are to play a role in establishing the new international order, we must prioritise the environmental interests of all Europeans that have been ignored for so long. We must start an international conversation to establish a means to address this growing problem, as it will only continue to compound as many nations fall into the trap of inaction. Fremet’s renewed role in the international politick must be one that strives for a sustainable future, leading by example and making sacrifices for the good of all mankind. If we are successful, we can reinvigorate the environmentalist movement across the Union and lead us to a new sustainable and prosperous future.
KS: Thank you Ms Bastholm. Mr Corbychov, it is your turn.
JC [Rødt]:
Fremet has made a grave mistake with its current path. We must support our comrades all over the world, yearning to break the chains of oppression and poverty that have been forced upon them for generations. We must position ourselves to support those peoples who seek to end the exploitation of the masses, and we must ally ourselves with nations who seek a similar goal. The new world order must be one that serves all Europeans, not just one that serves a select nation or class.
Thank you for your question Amelia.
KT: Thank you Mr Corbychov. Mr Hartmann, your time begins now.
MH [Fortschrittspartei]:
Amelia, Fremet has no business getting involved in the affairs of other nations. The Hansen Doctrine, the idea that Fremet must focus its strength inwards if it is to exhibit strength outwards, has served our nation sufficiently over many years, and I believe that we have yet to see sufficient cause to change such a doctrine. Yes, the UNSR is spreading its tendrils throughout Europe, but isn’t that what the old empire did? We survived that Cold War, and we will survive this one. Let us not waste precious economic, political, natural, and human resources concerning ourselves with the conflicts and distresses of peoples thousands of kilometers away. Not only is it not our responsibility, but it goes against the very idea of a non-interference policy. Reitzmag, having invited Inquistan help, soon betrayed their aid and threatened all-out war with their aid. Why should we have to risk life, limb, and resources on peoples that have, until now, been successful in handling their own affairs alone? Who are we to decide who to support? Who to shoot? No— let more experienced nations get bogged down in these powder kegs of deceit and death and allow for us to focus on building a better Fremet. Let Europe focus on building a better Europe.
KS: Thank you Mr Hartmann. Our next question comes from our team here at Staatlich Rundfunk:
“The Staatsrat, in tandem with the Von der Leyen administration, implemented indefinite sanctions against the UNSR. What is your stance on the future of relations between our two islands, and, furthermore, do you support the continued recognition and support of Free Icholasen in exile here in Fremet?”
KT: Mr Corbychov, you may begin.
JC [Rødt]:
We have a unique opportunity here to avoid a long and self-destructive rivalry. We must normalise our relations with the UNSR and extradite the murderer Whiteford to the Nicoleizian authorities so that she may face her crimes. Fremet’s continued support of Free Icholasen in exile is not only a threat to national security, but provides cause to the UNSR for continued antagonism against Fremet. This new Icholasen is not the same as that old empire that murdered so many and ruined the lives of so many more. This is a new nation— a nation that has already demonstrated its commitment to democracy. We must not allow old and outdated sentiment and fear to drive our decision making in the present. We have an amazing opportunity to build a new relationship with a growing neighbour, granting us the privilege of establishing a lasting partnership with what truly is our one and only neighbour. No more with the fears and influence of the past! Forward with the cause of the people! Forward with Freedom! Frem til Fremetia!
KS: Thank you Mr Corbychov. Mr Hartmann, it is your turn to speak.
MH [Fortschrittspartei]:
Not only do I support the actions the Von der Leyen administration has taken to ensure the freedom of the Nicoleizian people from this oppressive regime, but I present that more must be done in order to maintain a strong and hard line against this illegal and oppressive regime. We must renew our support of Free Icholasen here at home and abroad, and continue conducting military exercises in the Emerald Sea. The UNSR must remain ever wary that Fremet is prepared to defend itself from any attack. We must not fall into the trap of trusting or legitimising a regime simply because it has stood the tests of time. This is a government that has been actively campaigning for the downfall of Fremet since its very inception. We must actively campaign against further acceptance of the UNSR by the international community and not allow our voice to be silenced. We must recognise our enemy and, at the very least, remain ever vigilant to defend all that we have built, for we cannot allow for our nation to fall into ruin at the hands of Nicoleizian oppressors once again.
KT: Thank you Mr Hartmann. Madam Prime Minister, you may begin when ready.
VDL [Liberaldemokraten]:
The position that we have taken in opposition to the government now in power in Icholasen is meant for the long term. Our present measures are proving sufficient in protecting Fremetian interests here at home and on the continent, and any further action may be misconstrued as an act of war or a cause for further antagonism. While I accept that the UNSR is seeping its tendrils all across the Union, this is not unlike the Old Empire’s policy. I am concerned by recent moves by some of Europe’s larger powers to recognise the UNSR and formalise diplomatic relations. We stand the risk of our voice on the European Council being drowned out by calls to recognise the new regime. We must embark on a diplomatic campaign to garner continued support of our struggle which will, in tandem with our existing policies opposing the UNSR, will serve to protect Fremetian interests and maintain much needed stability in this increasingly tense situation.
KS: Thank you Madam Prime Minister. Ms Grande, you may begin.
SG [Venstre]:
We must be careful not to trust this unproven regime across channel. It is yet to be proven if they can function as a successful member of the international community, and therefore we must remain ever-vigilant as to their next action. The sanctions and cessation of diplomatic ties have been sufficient thus far, but we must explore opening a dialogue with our shadowy neighbour. History is filled with all too many instances of miscommunication and catastrophes that could have been avoided had lines of communication been established. We must open a line to the UNSR for at least the basic purpose of emergency communication. In modern times with modern weaponry, miscalculations and mixed signals are a recipe for disaster, and I sincerely believe that all of us— on both sides of the straight —agree that such uncertainty is an unnecessary extremely dangerous risk that must be addressed.
KT: Thank you Ms Grande. Ms Solberg, your time begins now.
ES [Sosialistpartiet]:
The future of both Fremet and Icholasen are intertwined in the fabric of Europe. We must establish a dialogue and common ground with the UNSR. While we may continue to house the exiled government of Free Icholasen, we must remain ever-mindful that every single action we take and every word we say will be analysed time and again by this regime. We must remain calculated in every move we make. International geopolitics is a complex and ever-changing game of chess in which we cannot afford to make the wrong move. We will not allow ourselves to be forced into isolation by a regime that turns us into the boogy man of Europe. We must keep the high ground and be, at the very least, willing to speak.
KS: Thank you Ms Solberg. Ms Bastholm, you may begin.
AB [Grønne]:
The Nicoleizian threat is not going to go away. They have entrenched themselves across the Emerald Sea. We therefore are forced to open a dialogue, as we cannot keep up this game of silence for eternity. While this is by no measure a core issue of my Party, due to the immense importance this poses to Fremetian society, we have garnered, after much debate, our position that, while we must establish some ties with the UNSR, their rise to power and ambiguous views of democracy make them an untrustworthy and dangerous faction. We must remain vigilant in the defence of our island, and not fall prey to calls of diplomacy that will surely lead to deception and betrayal.
KT: Thank you Ms Bastholm.
KS: We now move to the fourth question for this evening:
“Several EU memberstates have applied for ENAA licences as of late, once again giving rise to the age-old question of a nuclear-armed Fremet. Should Fremet revisit the question of nuclear weapons? Would you and your party support Fremet reapplying for an ENAA licence, in light of recent geopolitical concerns regarding the rise of communism in Icholasen, a nuclear-armed state?”
KT: Ms Solberg, you may begin.
ES [Sosialistpartiet]:
Over four years ago, Fremet submitted an application to the ENAA. After one year of EU membership, the Høyre administration at the time was grasping for a next step in Fremetian foreign policy. It was an election year, and Ms Oleman hoped that an ENAA licence would legitimise both Fremet’s place in the European Union and her position as Statsminister. The application, rejected due to that same lack of direction in foreign and defence policy, would cost Ms Oleman and Høyre dearly in the 2016 General Election. That was then. This is now. While Europe wasn’t exactly a safe place in 2016, we were not facing a massive threat on our own doorstep. In truth, we had little cause to pursue nuclear armament. Times change however, and we no longer find ourselves in a position of relative safety. A rogue state has risen not a stone’s throw away from our shores. We are not nuclear armed. They are. Regardless of the capabilities of our missile defence grids, countless bunkers, and conventional military deterrents, it only takes one. One. With one singular strike, Fremet can be rendered all but defenceless. Even during the Cold War, we allowed Gallorum to station nuclear missiles here in Fremet. Allowing a hostile neighbour a monopoly on nuclear first-strike capability is suicide. It is the hope that this shadowy regime would act rationally, not attacking us without cause. As such, it is the hope that the other armed nations of Europe will make sure of that. But who are we to expect that of them? They have no obligation to Fremet or her people. The DU retreats ever deeper into its own affairs, Angleter was never likely to act in the first place, and Gallorum has all but fallen silent. The time is now for Fremet to take responsibility for its own destiny and take the steps necessary to safeguard its future. Fremet has the fourth largest economy in the European Union. Quite simply, we cannot even run the risk that Fremet may be held hostage, at the point of a nuclear missile. Fremet has been under siege for too long. I, like everyone on this stage, served my time in defence of Fremet. We all know the sacrifices that must be made in defence of our home. When faced with such devastating destructive power, no miscalculation, no wrong move, no mistake must be tolerated. We will open a dialogue, yes. We may even open up our economies to each other, but as long as that threat is there, we cannot trust. We cannot sit idly by and do nothing. For, in doing nothing, we yield. Fremet does not yield.
KS: Thank you Ms Solberg. Mr Corbychov, it is your turn to speak.
JC [Rødt]:
Fremet has survived thus far without these horrific weapons of mass murder, and we will continue to flourish without them. Obtaining a production licence from the ENAA will only serve to antagonise an already untrusting and dangerous neighbour, and may even give them cause to act against us. Why should we have to yet again spend precious diplomatic and political capital on a gambit that is likely to be rejected by the ENAA. Yes, things have changed, but nuclear proliferation has to stop somewhere, and that somewhere might as well be here. Let us be the example to the world of how to deal with these massive threats in ways that don’t threaten to destroy all of society around us.
KT: Thank you Mr Corbychov. Mr Hartmann, you may begin when ready.
MH [Fortschrittspartei]:
Fremet has a right to defend itself by any means it deems necessary. And, when faced with assured destruction, the only defence is a good offence. We must safeguard our future in arming ourselves for the task. We cannot stand by as a nation that has openly called for the destruction of our nation to hold such a massive tactical advantage over us. There is no real defence to such an all-encompassing threat. Now, more than ever, Fremet must act to secure its own future, using its own resources and its own means. We cannot rely on the goodwill of other nations to dictate our defensive policy here at home when the stakes are oh so very high.
KS: Thank you Mr Hartmann. Ms Olemann, you may begin.
NO [Høyre]:
With this rising threat Fremet must either seek an ENAA licence or a licenced country willing to station nuclear assets here in Fremet to behave as a deterrent. There is no conventional defence against such unconventional weaponry, and we must nurture an ability to respond in kind should that shadowy regime ever threaten to destroy all that we have built.
KT: Thank you Ms Olemann. Madam Prime Minister, you may begin when ready.
VDL [Liberaldemokraten]:
Fremet stands at a crossroads. To one side, we see a path that takes us towards a continued and drawn out rivalry, inching ever-closer to that fine line of mutual destruction. To the other, the unknown. As Prime Minister, I elected not to seek an ENAA licence in the wake of the uprising in Icholasen, as such a knee jerk reaction would be overly reactionary and could possibly lead to future conflict. I concur with Ms Solberg. There is no real defence to these weapons of awful power. I will not, however, reverse the long-standing position of this party that Fremet is not in the business of nuclear weapons. Yes, we allowed Gallorum to establish a deterrent here on the island. A deterrent that was dismantled when communism first fell in Icholasen. That was a different time, a different regime. I propose that we call upon the UNSR to dismantle their nuclear arsenal and that both governments of Icholasen surrender their licence to the ENAA. Should they refuse, Fremet will be forced to seek the nuclear option, literally. No longer can we be expected to carry out this impossible task and defend ourselves against this sweeping power without any real means to respond.
KS: Thank you Madam Prime Minister. Ms Bastholm, it is your turn to answer.
AB [Grønne]:
Nuclear proliferation is not only a danger to the political stability of the European Union, it is also a grave threat to the continued survival of humanity and the ecological success of our planet. We mustn’t allow the dogs of war to wipe our species to extinction or the environment to a wasteland. The simple cost of life in nuclear war makes these weapons of mass murder an unacceptable option for any nation to undertake. Mutually Assured Destruction: MAD. It is absolute madness that the defence to such devastating weaponry is the assurance that it will be used in kind. Such a doctrine only serves to ensure the destruction of modern society as we know it, should such a conflict break out. The risks are simply too high, the cost of failure too great to undertake such an effort or to even consider requesting even a licence from the ENAA.
KT: Thank you Ms Bastholm. Ms Grande, you may begin.
SG [Venstre]:
Fremet has long asked itself this question, and my answer remains the same as it always has been: No to Nukes. We must continue to search for more effective means of defending ourselves against ballistic missiles. By investing our resources in systems that protect Fremet, we can achieve this goal of a defence against such awful weaponry while maintaining our moral high ground and not risking life and limb by undertaking such an effort to obtain nuclear weaponry. Simply put, nuclear weapons are a waste of time and money that can be better spent elsewhere, be it on conventional forces or on scientific research, social programs, and the diplomatic corps.
KS: Thank you Ms Grande. That is all the time we have this evening for questions.
KT: We will return in just a few moments for the candidates’ final closing arguments.
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