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    Amendment to the Nuclear Proliferation Act 2009

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    • Istkalen
      Istkalen EU last edited by

      I would personally prefer, at this point, to place the Emperor of Inimicus in the place of the Korojaunu, as the status of Icholasen is currently unclear. I therefore propose the following amendment:


      AMENDMENT II

      SECTION II. THE MAKEUP OF THE ENAA

      1. The ENAA shall consist of five members, four of which will be permanent members and one of which will be selected by the European Council every 12 months. This single elected member must be a non-nuclear state and will vacate their seat if they obtain nuclear weapons.

      2. The four permanent members of the ENAA are as follows:
        a. The Aelir of the Kendro-Laatzenian Dominions of the Duxburian Union
        b. The Prime Minister of the Apostolic Kingdom of Angleter The Emperor of Inimicus The Prime Minister of the Apostolic Kingdom of Angleter
        c. The Archbishop of the Most Blessed State of Inquista
        d. The Korojaunu of the United Dominions of Icholasen The Emperor of Inimicus


      I am opposed to any attempt to install a non-nuclear state in the place of any of the permanent members, as I see this as undermining the legitimacy of the ENAA.

      Iras Tilkanas
      Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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      • Spain
        Spain last edited by

        Cllr. Mizrachi-Roscoe, as always you, and I guess the members that usually are on the same line when it comes to verbal unrest against the members of other defensive alliances will follow suit, are against this amendment. While your position is understandable, I would like to remind everyone, but specially you, that there was once a time when the European Nuclear Applications Authority was exclusively made up of members of the same alliance. These members fulfilled their tasks exemplarily, and no one in Europe ever complained about the ENAA's composition, or raised suspicions of corruption and biased behaviours.

        The thing is, Cllr. Mizrachi-Roscoe, you would love to be there. But the United Duchies has no nukes, in fact its license application was rejected not so long ago. There are no other states that could assume the job as they should: electing Fremet would be the obvious thing, but they are also absent, my country is yet not ready to assume this position because it lacks experience and the same reason comes up when proposing Czech Slavia. The Empire of Inimicus is the only nation, alongside the United Kingdom maybe, that suits this position.

        But of course, your recently proposed amendment speaks the truth hidden behind your reasoning: this is not about citizens' trust on the ENAA, about which many likely do not care; this is not about corruption and bias: this is about the cold war you and other members pursue to have in the European Union. By the way Councillor, your amendment undermines the purpose of the ENAA: nuclear nations must be a majority within the organization in order to take expert knowledge into account when taking a license request into consideration.

        On the Speaker's proposal, I do believe we also need to do something with Icholasen: maybe the United Kingdom would be a good substitute for Icholasen? That way, we would not need to drop the originary purpose of this amendment, which is dropping non-active member states from the European Nuclear Applications Authority.

        The Kingdom of Spain
        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
        President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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        • Istkalen
          Istkalen EU last edited by

          While I understand the reasons for the original proposal, I feel that, regardless of its engagement in European affairs, Angleter remains too significant and powerful a nuclear state to exclude from the ENAA. There is a need, in my opinion, to back the power of the institution with force; to remove Angleter, in my opinion, undermines that.

          Iras Tilkanas
          Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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          • Yosai
            Yosai EU last edited by

            I would propose that the ENAA stays as is. This amendment will only lead to the creation of a permanent majority of one alliance and will eventually lead the ENAA to be an arm of one organisation. Forever tarnishing the ENAA's credibility.

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            • BrumBrum
              BrumBrum Commission @Spain last edited by

              I would like to remind you we have no cold war but its common sense not to give any alliance including ECON a majority on deciding who gets an important defensive technology. We'd prefer there is no nuclear weapons in the world in an ideal world but that is not practical and unfortunately if ones has nukes most need nukes to be on an equal par. You hand a permanent majority to any alliance it could be abused and if it can be abused it is a problem, even the appearance of bias or potential corruption is dangerous enough to undermine trust , you mention the UK maybe that is an ideal candidate, after all it is a nuclear power who have shown they are also pragmatic but they are cruciall not alligned to either ECON or Telum which would help increase trust to the maximum.

              James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillor for United Duchies

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              • Spain
                Spain last edited by Spain

                Cllr. Mizrachi-Roscoe, you really need to update yourself a little bit - and go to the doctor, because you seem not to listen correctly. I have not said there is a cold war in Europe, I have instead affirmed that you and some members pursue a Cold War in this region.

                Furthermore, the majority and neutrality arguments are a stunt for two basic reasons: first, the European Nuclear Applications Authority members are entitled to be neutral, they were neutral back in the past when they all made part of the same alliance and remain neutral nowadays. Only three nations (the United Duchies, Reitzmag and Yosai, hereafter the skull trio) have ever complained about possible bias and corruption if a nation got the ENAA member status. We all know the members of the skull trio are eager to adquire the condition Inimicus would if the act passed, but none of them have nukes. This is not about Telum Treaty or ECON, this is about you getting a new chair to sit on.

                And second, the United Kingdom is a member of the Treaty of Telum, so I guess this is not only a stunt when it comes to the reasons, but also a grudge held against the Empire of Inimicus.


                I would also like to submit an amendment, to include the thoughts of Speaker Tilkannas, giving them my own view:

                AMENDMENT III

                SECTION II. THE MAKEUP OF THE ENAA

                The four permanent members of the ENAA are as follows:
                a. The Aelir of the Kendro-Laatzenian Dominions of the Duxburian Union
                b. The Prime Minister of the Apostolic Kingdom of Angleter The Emperor of Inimicus
                c. The Archbishop of the Most Blessed State of Inquista
                d. The Korojaunu of the United Dominions of Icholasen The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

                Donald Tusk
                Councillor for Spain

                The Kingdom of Spain
                His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                • Yosai
                  Yosai EU last edited by Yosai

                  Wouldn't a more impartial and less political structure employ a rotating structure and have presiding members come under review for their candidacy be on a term limit say every year. It's just an idea or concept, having one member as a permanent presiding member. I just think there need to be balance Over a body that handles matters of nuclear arsenals and nuclear energy in general is not a matter to be taken lightly and should not be at the whims of outside organisations

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                  • California
                    California EU last edited by

                    The United Kingdom and its Prime Minister would be honoured. In the knowledge that this body is charged with regulating nuclear energy, we need the expertise of the United Duchies.

                    The Commonwealth of California
                    Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                    Governor-General Gavin Newsom
                    Councilor Snoop Dogg

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                    • Istkalen
                      Istkalen EU last edited by

                      Cllr. Tusk, I am willing to support your amendment and withdraw my own on one condition - that in the case of the return of Angleter to active engagement in European Affairs, it is reinstated as a member of the ENAA.

                      Iras Tilkanas
                      Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                      • Spain
                        Spain last edited by

                        I accept that condition, Ms. Speaker.

                        Donald Tusk
                        Councillor for Spain

                        The Kingdom of Spain
                        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                        President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                        • Yosai
                          Yosai EU @Spain last edited by Yosai

                          Skull trio? Really? Surely you can think of a better name that doesn't make us sound like some garage speed metal band? Well in any case I just don't see any reason to change the ENAA in its current form.

                          Izumi Miwako
                          Councilor of the Federal Republic of Yosai

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                          • California
                            California EU last edited by

                            Skull trio is uncalled for. Please disagree with less outwardly hostile terms please.

                            The Commonwealth of California
                            Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                            Governor-General Gavin Newsom
                            Councilor Snoop Dogg

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                            • Istkalen
                              Istkalen EU last edited by

                              I withdraw my amendment.

                              Iras Tilkanas
                              Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                              • Yosai
                                Yosai EU last edited by Yosai

                                I propose the following

                                1.The ENAA shall consist of five members, four of which will be permanent members and one of which will be by majority vote of the council selected by the European Council every 12 months. This single elected member must be a non-nuclear state and will vacate their seat if they obtain nuclear weapons.

                                1. The four permanent members of the ENAA are as follows:
                                  a. The Aelir of the Kendro-Laatzenian Dominions of the Duxburian Union
                                  b. The Prime Minister of the Apostolic Kingdom of Angleter The Emperor of Inimicus
                                  c. The Archbishop of the Most Blessed State of Inquista
                                  d. The Korojaunu of the United Dominions of Icholasen

                                3.The nations that will have representation on the ENAA should assign their most powerful political figure to the role.

                                1. To ratify a vote within the ENAA, a majority of 51% or greater of the present voting members is required. For there to be a valid vote, a minimum quorum of three members must be obtained.

                                My only contention is with the word permanent. I think it creates an unnecessary lock on membership of aspiring states further cements the interests of a few states on matters which effect us all. Therefore I proposed that in amendment one that all states that apply should be elected via a majority vote of this council. Why not let democracy decide?

                                Izumi Miwako

                                Councilor of the Federal Republic of Yosai

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                                • Vayinaod
                                  Vayinaod EU @Yosai last edited by

                                  I believe that if we are going to reform the ENAA's membership to keep it updated and in line with the current geopolitical situation I feel the most proper organization would be as follows:

                                  Two permanent members:

                                  • Aelir of the Kendro-Laatzenian Dominions of the Duxburian Union
                                  • The Archbishop of the Most Blessed State of Inquista

                                  Two elected members:

                                  • One nuclear state
                                  • One non-nuclear state

                                  This would obviously create an even number of seats on the board necessitating super majorities but I feel this would if anything be beneficial to the institutions legitimacy. I would like to see how the chamber feels in general about the proposal before moving forward on drafting an amendment to that effect.

                                  Now that is my proposal, let me go on to state why I feel the others brought forward for the most part do not function that well.

                                  Inimicus I believe, especially its Emperor, would be a trustworthy member in the context of the ENAA. However, its geopolitical issues with a variety of members states would unfortunately just hamper the institutions legitimacy through constant attacks from those opposing member-states. It's nothing Inimicus did, its just the logical progression of what would happen if they were to rise up to the position.

                                  Cllr. Roscoe is beyond wrong. Yosai is not capable of handling itself as a member of the ENAA, and would face similar bias issues as Inimicus. Not to mention including it as a permanent member would give non-nuclear states a majority which defeats the purpose of the ENAA.

                                  It is a technical institution. Not a political one. It's job is to examine a state and evaluate whether it is truly trusthworthy of being handed nuclear weapons, and I do not believe they have made an outwardly bad choice thus far in its history. The states with the most technical expertise in whether a state can handle the needed security, technological handling, political restraint in dealing with these weapons of massive destruction are other nuclear states. They have that experience. No one else does. The purpose of the non-nuclear states on the ENAA is to give some legitimacy to the organisation, but it still needs to be a technical institution first and foremost.

                                  Which is why making it a completely "democratic" body is short-sighted. It fails to recognize the purpose of the ENAA and turns it into the biased body that some Cllrs. are so against here of but yet do not mind the potential of making it a biased body if it benefits them.

                                  Those are my thoughts on the subject.

                                  Cllr. Carita Falk
                                  Archrepublic of Vayinaod

                                  Arch-Konsul: Kristian Nylund (Greens)
                                  Ruling Coalition: Greens, Moderates
                                  EU Councillor : Carita Falk (Greens-Independent)

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                                  • Yosai
                                    Yosai EU last edited by Yosai

                                    I do like this compromise by my colleague Carita Falk. At least there is a chance to not have a permanent majority on issues such as nuclear arsenals. Majorities will come and go, but at least there is not a permanent majority. And while we are flattered to be considered as a worthy candidate by our colleagues from the Duchies, I agree with Councillor Faik, we have no aspirations to join as members of the ENAA in any capacity at this time. What we want is balance and the amendment proposed by the Archrepublic of Vayinaod's representative is at the moment the bast solution to ensure that.

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                                    • BrumBrum
                                      BrumBrum Commission @Yosai last edited by

                                      I fully support the compromise by the right honourable councillor Falk . I would endorse that as an amendment and also withdraw my proposed amendment.

                                      James Mizrachi-Roscoe , Councillor for United Duchies

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                                      • California
                                        California EU last edited by

                                        whatever.

                                        Ed Miliband

                                        The Commonwealth of California
                                        Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                                        Governor-General Gavin Newsom
                                        Councilor Snoop Dogg

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                                        • Istkalen
                                          Istkalen EU last edited by

                                          Debate has ended. Three amendments were proposed, as follows:

                                          AMENDMENT I

                                          SECTION II. THE MAKEUP OF THE ENAA
                                          ...
                                          2. The four permanent members of the ENAA are as follows:
                                          a. The Aelir of the Kendro-Laatzenian Dominions of the Duxburian Union
                                          b. The Prime Minister of the Apostolic Kingdom of Angleter The Emperor of Inimicus The Federal Republic of Yosai
                                          c. The Archbishop of the Most Blessed State of Inquista
                                          d. The Korojaunu of the United Dominions of Icholasen


                                          AMENDMENT II

                                          SECTION II. THE MAKEUP OF THE ENAA
                                          ....
                                          2. The four permanent members of the ENAA are as follows:
                                          a. The Aelir of the Kendro-Laatzenian Dominions of the Duxburian Union
                                          b. The Prime Minister of the Apostolic Kingdom of Angleter The Emperor of Inimicus
                                          c. The Archbishop of the Most Blessed State of Inquista
                                          d. The Korojaunu of the United Dominions of Icholasen The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom


                                          AMENDMENT III

                                          SECTION II. THE MAKEUP OF THE ENAA

                                          1.The ENAA shall consist of five members, four of which will be permanent members and one of which will be by majority vote of the council selected by the European Council every 12 months. This single elected member must be a non-nuclear state and will vacate their seat if they obtain nuclear weapons.

                                          1. The four permanent members of the ENAA are as follows:
                                            a. The Aelir of the Kendro-Laatzenian Dominions of the Duxburian Union
                                            b. The Prime Minister of the Apostolic Kingdom of Angleter The Emperor of Inimicus
                                            c. The Archbishop of the Most Blessed State of Inquista
                                            d. The Korojaunu of the United Dominions of Icholasen

                                          3.The nations that will have representation on the ENAA should assign their most powerful political figure to the role.

                                          1. To ratify a vote within the ENAA, a majority of 51% or greater of the present voting members is required. For there to be a valid vote, a minimum quorum of three members must be obtained.

                                          Amendment I contradicts with Amendment II. Voting will begin NOW and will continue until 23:59 GMT on 12 January 2023.

                                          iras Tilkanas
                                          Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                                          • Spain
                                            Spain last edited by

                                            I vote FOR Amendment II and AGAINST Amendments I and III.

                                            Donald Tusk
                                            Councillor for Spain

                                            The Kingdom of Spain
                                            His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                            President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                            Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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