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    Repeal the Condemnation of the Coup in Icholasen

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    • Kingdom of Reitzmag
      Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by

      Before coming to this discussion, I have asked His Majesty's Government on their thoughts so as to allow them to express their opinion regardless of my own opinions on this matter. I'll start with the official statement from the government before I express my thoughts on this.


      HM Government

      The Black House, Hampton City, Kingdom of Reitzmag
      December 14 2021

      The Government of the Kingdom of Reitzmag sends a warm greeting to all esteemed members of the European Council. It has come to our attention that the European Union's legislative body has begun discussions on another attempt to repeal the Motion that Condemns the Coup in Icholasen. And for this we are thankful for our nation's councilor to give us a voice on the matter.

      It is worth noting that we have stood neutrally on the situation in Icholasen following the recent situations involving our nation and both the UNSR and the UDI. Last year, the UNSR had attempted to destroy a large part of our work in astronomy through the Cansey Space Station by detonating an anti-satellite weapon through an ICBM. Meanwhile, extremist refugees from the UDI had caused chaos by terrorizing a world-class settlement project known as Copala City while it was temporary leased for a good cause to the Nicolezian Government-in-exile. Both these events have heavily affected our foreign policy, especially on the situation in the Nicolezian Island.

      Due to this, we do not see any reason to support or recognize any of the parties in the conflict. However, we have been more lenient to accept the possibility of the UNSR becoming the true administering state in the Island of Icholasen subject to certain conditions. The following are the conditions we wish to see in order to support the UNSR as the new state in Icholasen:

      1. Human Rights of all Europeans, especially Nicolezians, are respected and treated fairly. The UDoHR in the Constitution of the European Union must be embodied.
      2. There must be a legislative body elected to some degree and that Independent candidates may at least be allowed to run regardless of ideology, religion, and gender.
      3. The nuclear stockpile must be reduced, or eliminated if possible, so as not to pose any further threat of invasion or irresponsible handling of weapons of mass destruction.

      This decision to offer a chance to the UNSR to be accepted by the nation as the legitimate state of Icholasen was carefully studied. Primarily it has been caused by our distrust with the UDI following the events that have occurred in both Copala City and Anastasia City. However, we also see the importance of this for the betterment of the region. The conditions we have set are aimed to ensure safety and security for all persons, and will not be aimed at forcing any economic ideology such as capitalism nor communism. And for that, we hope the UNSR accepts these conditions for the peace and prosperity of all of Europe.

      Sir Simon Bridges, KCMG
      Prime Minister, Kingdom of Reitzmag

      Chung Eui-yong
      Minister of the Crown, Ministry of Foreign Affairs


      And now for my opinions as Councilor. I do agree with the fact that the European Union has indeed accepted nations regardless of whether it is a dictatorship or a liberal democracy. It is explicitly stated in the Constitution of the European Union under Article I, Section II, Paragraph 1, "All sovereign states are free to join the European Union. No approval is necessary". In addition, I do agree with the government that there should be some conditions met in order for the UNSR to prove themselves capable of being recognized as the legitimate state in the Nicolezian Island. It is important to ensure that our decision here in the European Council is not a mistake that we will regret in the future. And finally, I think we should agree that what the Condemnation Motion had done no good nor any change in the situation. Therefore, I stand in support of repeal as long as the conditions that His Majesty's Government had set are met and proven through an official truthful response from representatives of the UNSR.

      Yuridiana Yahontov
      Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag

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      Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
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      • Istkalen
        Istkalen EU last edited by

        As I have categorically stated, repealing this condemnation does not require recognition or even admission of the UNSR. That should be covered by a separate piece of legislation. All that this would do is open the opportunity for recognition and admission, which will be handled at a later time.

        Iras Tilkanas
        Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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        • Fayrrendel
          Fayrrendel EU last edited by

          I must say to this council that while I personally share skepticism of the government of the UNSR, what I am seeing from many in this chamber is unfortunately baseless speculation about what is actually happening the UNSR. As Councilor Tilkanas rightly pointed out, there simply isn't any credible evidence from the UNSR of any significant human rights abuses, or other infringements on freedoms that otherwise could be found among nations within the European Union. In fact, if we are to believe reports of what is happening throughout the Union, it would appear the UNSR is a freer society than some of our member states. Shall this be our reason to remain hostile to a regime that has shown no intention thusfar of agression? If that is the case, let it be known in the record that Ruthund will be proposing later other proposals to penalize certain nations for more credible reports of human rights violation and in particular, infringement on political freedom. And if we find ourselves in that situation, I best not hear from members from this Council that we "need to respect the right of self-determination". But I am sure Councilors Tusk, Yahontov, Bordaberry, and Mizrachi-Roscoe will support these future bills.

          Prince-Councilor Tony Odhinazen
          EU Councilor for Ruthund

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          • Spain
            Spain last edited by

            I would like to thank Councillor Tilkanas for her clarifications, which are indeed useful not just for me, but for everyone. Apart from that, my apologies for the misleading statements I might have done about the Union of Nicoleizian Soviet Republics.

            As requested, debate will be extended for 72 hours, until 22:47 GMT on December 20th, 2021.

            Donald Tusk
            Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

            The Kingdom of Spain
            His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
            President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
            Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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            • Istkalen
              Istkalen EU last edited by

              I would like to request a second debate extension.

              Iras Tilkanas
              Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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              • BrumBrum
                BrumBrum Commission last edited by

                I must say that the Right Honourable Councillour Odhinazen has made a good point. We cannot possibly justify keeping this legislation over human rights and issues over democracy while less democratic countries are in the Union. While of course democracy is optimal we cannot achieve this through sanctioning and activism in the EU. Any movement for democracy must come from within. After hearing many good points I have no doubt that repeal is in order. We must work to find other ways to find common ground with UNSR and achieve reform perhaps offering benefits for reforms they make extra funding for example. We must use the carrot in this situation since the stick is obviously not working .

                James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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                • Spain
                  Spain last edited by

                  I do believe, Councillor Tilkanas, that this extension is needed and they will still take place until both the Fremetian and Nicoleizian Councillor make their appearance on the chamber.

                  As requested, debate will be extended for 96 hours, until 22:47 GMT on December 24th, 2021.

                  Donald Tusk
                  Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                  The Kingdom of Spain
                  His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                  President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                  Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                  • Istkalen
                    Istkalen EU last edited by

                    I would like to request, yet again, a debate extension.

                    Iras Tilkanas
                    Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                    • Spain
                      Spain last edited by

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                      The Kingdom of Spain
                      His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                      President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                      Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                      • Spain
                        Spain last edited by

                        Debate is now over. Voting begins NOW and will last until 14:17 GMT on January 3rd, 2022.

                        Donald Tusk
                        Acting Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                        The Kingdom of Spain
                        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                        President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                          The Kingdom of Spain
                          His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                          President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                          Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                          • Spain
                            Spain last edited by

                            On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote FOR this repeal.

                            Donald Tusk
                            Acting Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                            The Kingdom of Spain
                            His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                            President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                            Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                            • Spain
                              Spain last edited by

                              Voting has now concluded. With 8 votes FOR and 1 vote AGAINST, this repeal has PASSED.

                              Donald Tusk
                              Acting Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                              The Kingdom of Spain
                              His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                              President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                              Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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