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    Carbon Emissions Reduction Zone Establishment Act

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    • Spain
      Spain last edited by

      Debate begins NOW and will continue until 16:26 GMT on October 26th, 2023.

      Donald Tusk
      Council Speaker and Councillor for Spain

      The Kingdom of Spain
      His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
      President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
      Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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      • BrumBrum
        BrumBrum Commission @Spain last edited by

        I can only say really I support this act. This act has the potential to revolutionise the EU and actually reward good stewardship of resources and the Earth and make the EU do something for the climate crisis. I am assured by the Duchies government shall this act pass we will sign up for memmbership immediately as we believe we meet the requirements and this could turbocharge our carbon saving innitiatives.My only reccomendation and proposed amendments are as follows:

        Ammendment I:
        III. At least seven ten percent of all future budgets of the European Union will be set aside to be redistributed to each of the member-states that compose the Carbon Emissions Reduction Zone in proportion to their population.
        Ammendment II
        III. At least seven percent of all future budgets membership fees of the European Union will be set aside to be redistributed to each of the member-states that compose the Carbon Emissions Reduction Zone in proportion to their population.

        The reason I'm suggesting these changes is it there is room for plenty of money to go into the scheme and its a nice round easy to calculate number at 10% thats easy to understand by the public and that as worded the ammendment II could easily be abused by simply lowering the budget to stall the amount of money going into this programme by those with ill intention. If it was mandated as a % of revenue instead this would not be possible so it adds a safeguard to stop the corporatist lobbyists and politicians who defend those who pollute diluting the acts effect through loopholes left open.

        James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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        • Istkalen
          Istkalen EU last edited by

          The Republic of Istkalen is and will always be supportive of a European approach to the pressing and existential issue of climate change - and, broadly, is in favor of an act on these lines.

          Nevertheless, we fear that some of its provisions could unfairly funnel money to but a few member-states, at the expense of the whole. This, to us, is absolutely unacceptable.

          In light of these concerns, I propose the following amendment:

          AMENDMENT III

          III. At least seven percent half a percent for each member-state composing the Carbon Emissions Reduction Zone, up to a maximum of seven percent of all future budgets of the European Union will be set aside to be redistributed to each of the member-states that compose the Carbon Emissions Reduction Zone in proportion to their population.

          Iras Tilkanas
          Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen


          Let me explain my reasons for this construction. This funneling of money is meant to encourage membership in the CERZ - a member-state dissatisfied with the movement of its money to another will be incentivized to join the CERZ and therefore reduce that flow, and redirect some of it towards itself. Nevertheless, I understand the concerns voiced by Cllr. Tilkanas.

          On an unrelated note, I would like to say that I am opposed to Councillor Mizrachi-Roscoe's second amendment; it would effectively establish a minimum budget, something that I do not think is wise.

          Akem Linek
          Premier Commissioner

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          • BrumBrum
            BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by BrumBrum

            I do not see the point the right honourable Linek is trying to make. His proposal effectively establishes a minimum budget also just as a percent of the budget rather than contributions. However as written its easy to just reduce the amount going to the CERZ by reducing the amount spent in the budget something an ideologically opposed premier commissioner could attempt just to reduce the amount going to the scheme in the process hurting ordinary Europeans quality of life and services from the EU in the process. All my ammendment does is remove that loophole by stopping those shenanigans before they are even attempted by making it based on contributions to the EU and not how much of the contributions are spent.

            James Mizrachi-Roscoe , Councillour for United Duchies

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            • California
              California EU last edited by

              In my opinion, pardon my French and to quote Lizzo...it's about damn time.

              Snoop Dogg
              Councilor for the Commonwealth of California

              The Commonwealth of California
              Prime Minister Kamala Harris
              Governor-General Julia Gillard
              Councilor Snoop Dogg

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              • Istkalen
                Istkalen EU last edited by

                Cllr. Mizrachi-Roscoe, my proposal would allow the budget to be set even to zero, if a Commissioner so desired, maximizing flexibility. Yours, however, ensures that, no matter what future administrations want, the Union will have to spend money on at least one purpose - something I think, again, is unwise.

                Akem Linek
                Premier Commissioner

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                • BrumBrum
                  BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by

                  I think you have got exactly the point of my amendment. You may be a good comissioner with a pure heart and you have shown yourself to be an exceptional commissioner , however we cannot guarantee all will be so good on spending and issues. The amendment I proposed would ensure stable funding growth for the CERZ projects and amplify the effect of the bill long term by ensuring the percentage is based on the higher figure automatically by having the minimum as a percent of contributions and also ensuring comissioners paid off by big oil and gas cannot just post a lower budget to undermine the CERZ and frustrate efforts to move to a more sustainable economic model.

                  James Mizrachi-Roscoe , Councillour for United Duchies

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                  • Istkalen
                    Istkalen EU last edited by

                    The people have the right to elect such Commissioners, and to expect them to do what they elected them for.

                    Akem Linek
                    Premier Commissioner

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                    • BrumBrum
                      BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by BrumBrum

                      You have faith it will be the peoples choice but there are nations in this union that are corrupted by billionaires and millionaires being able to donate massively into politics and fund campaigns. We must protect against the ability of people owned by the corporate elite classes from destroying our climate and undermining this great act of yours to benefit some oil company, mining company and the polluters of this earth of ours. This is about survival and making sure millions or 10's of millions do not die from corporate greed , this is about protecting the weakest in power and poorest materially from abusing power structures for their own end.We cannot let this loophole to undermine the people of Europe and your great act proceed forward or future generations might ask those who vote against my amendment where were you when the ability of the corporatist elite to kill millions for a quick buck was set into law.

                      James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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                      • Istkalen
                        Istkalen EU last edited by

                        May we begin voting?

                        Akem Linek
                        Premier Commissioner

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                        • Spain
                          Spain last edited by

                          Debate is now over. My apologies for the severe delay. It is time to vote on the proposed amendments. There are THREE amendments up to vote:

                          Amendment I - Proposed by Cllr. James Mizrachi-Roscoe

                          Section I - Zone

                          III. At least seven ten percent of all future budgets of the European Union will be set aside to be redistributed to each of the member-states that compose the Carbon Emissions Reduction Zone in proportion to their population.


                          Amendment II - Proposed by Cllr. James Mizrachi-Roscoe

                          Section I - Zone

                          III. At least seven percent of all future budgets membership fees of the European Union will be set aside to be redistributed to each of the member-states that compose the Carbon Emissions Reduction Zone in proportion to their population.


                          Amendment III - Proposed by Cllr. Iras Tilkannas

                          Section I - Zone

                          III. At least seven percent half a percent for each member-state composing the Carbon Emissions Reduction Zone, up to a maximum of seven percent of all future budgets of the European Union will be set aside to be redistributed to each of the member-states that compose the Carbon Emissions Reduction Zone in proportion to their population.


                          Voting on amendments will commence NOW and will last until 17:17 GMT on December 12th, 2023.


                          I vote FOR Amendment III and AGAINST Amendments I and II.

                          Donald Tusk
                          Council Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                          The Kingdom of Spain
                          His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                          President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                          Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                          • Istkalen
                            Istkalen EU last edited by

                            On behalf of the Republic of Istkalen, I vote FOR Amendment III and AGAINST all others.

                            Iras Tilkanas
                            Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                            • BrumBrum
                              BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by

                              On behalf of United Duchies I vote for amendments I , II and against amendment III
                              James Mizrachi-Roscoe , Councillour for United Duchies

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                              • California
                                California EU last edited by

                                On behalf of the Commonwealth of California, I vote FOR this act

                                The Commonwealth of California
                                Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                                Governor-General Julia Gillard
                                Councilor Snoop Dogg

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                                • Spain
                                  Spain last edited by

                                  Voting on the amendments has concluded. With 1 vote FOR and 2 votes AGAINST, Amendment I has FAILED. With 1 vote FOR and 2 votes AGAINST, Amendment II has FAILED. With 2 votes FOR and 1 vote AGAINST, Amendment III has PASSED. The proposal has been updated accordingly.

                                  Before the start of the final vote, I must clarify that the vote from the Councillor for California has not been counted, as we were voting on the amendments rather than on the act itself.


                                  Final voting begins NOW and will last until 17:25 GMT on January 1st, 2024.


                                  On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote FOR this act.

                                  Donald Tusk
                                  Council Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                                  The Kingdom of Spain
                                  His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                  President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                  Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                                  • California
                                    California EU last edited by

                                    On behalf of the Commonwealth of California, I vote for the act.

                                    Snoop Dogg
                                    Councilor for the Commonwealth of California

                                    The Commonwealth of California
                                    Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                                    Governor-General Julia Gillard
                                    Councilor Snoop Dogg

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                                    • Mishar Republic
                                      Mishar Republic EU last edited by

                                      On behalf of the Mishar Republic, I vote FOR this act.

                                      Mrs. Susie Dakota, Councillor for the Mishar Republic

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                                      • BrumBrum
                                        BrumBrum Commission @Mishar Republic last edited by

                                        On behalf of United Duchies I vote FOR this act
                                        James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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                                        • Spain
                                          Spain last edited by

                                          Voting has now concluded. With 4 votes FOR and none AGAINST, this bill has PASSED.

                                          Donald Tusk
                                          Council Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                                          The Kingdom of Spain
                                          His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                          President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                          Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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