Commission Debate, July 2022

Istkalen

We don't have to choose one or the other. We have institutions like the ECB and ECoJ which are completely ineffective because of their more decentralized or democratic nature, which encourages derelection of duty - there is a need, there, for centralization, if our Union is to actually function. On the other hand we have such institutions as the EHO or the ESA, who, while legally decentralized, have had past directors who have attempted to take on much more power than they need to be. Decentralization of function needs to be very strictly enforced there - we otherwise end up with expensive, unnecessary, and bloated bureaucracies which are little more than the pet projects of a few.

In essence - do what is necessary! Centralize when needed, and decentralize when needed - don't apply one dogmatic approach to everything!

Spain

Thanks for your question, Ms. Graham.

In opposition to my rival for the Premier race, I do indeed believe this Union has been sacrificed for some nations, and it has been a planned, slow destruction of the EU pushed by these pro-sovereignty candidates like our current Premier, that has done absolutely nothing for you or any European citizen. Some nations are already preparing to leave if Mr. Kühnert doesn’t win, which is quite a childish behaviour; but that’s cause they know that the era of giving them what they want and ignoring the rest is over if I win.

You also do a second question, what is realistically accomplishable for us, the Premier Commissioner candidates. I want to tell you that if your nation’s vote goes to me, I will commit and deliver every single point in my agenda, no exceptions. There are no excuses to ignore the agenda I designed for this election, and if I don’t manage to deliver a single point for my inaction, I swear to all of you watching us tonight that I won’t ever run again for Commission. I’m not in politics to earn money or to seat on a comfy chair in a luxurious office in the European Union’s capital; I became a politician to work for the citizens of my country. And when I entered European politics, my only purpose was to help the people, like you and like many others watching us tonight.

We will obviously need the Council to pass our legislation proposals, but it’s pretty much achievable. Consensus, dialogue, negotiation and listening to European Councillors is key to continue our way towards the European Union we want in the future. But the journey begins in a few days, and only the Europeans’ vote will allow me to start it.

I thank that anonymous person from Elthize for his question.

The European Union needs to work towards finding the perfect balance. We can neither go for a full centralised model, in which the European Union has power over the most critical issues our member states Government handle, such as immigration; nor for a fully decentralised model in which we make the EU mean absolutely nothing, if that was the case we could just declare this project as dead. I want the Union to mean something, to do something else than being an irrelevant institution like some others wanted. We need to act as a centralised Union when it’s needed, and as a decentralised one when it’s needed too. The Green Deal, for example, can be either used as guidelines for states or as a treaty between several members. Both options are on the table.

However, now a second question might appear in your mind, and that is: ‘how will you find that perfect balance you are speaking about?’ Surprisingly, that is not the biggest issue we have, because the European Union has the means to directly communicate with member states, we used to do that when I was the Internal Affairs Commissioner and mostly everyone showed up at the time. Of course, this is a matter for the IAC, but I would love to join a new possible summit if it happened. The European Union can also conduct a survey in which states would express their concerns and could let us know what they want.

I have said it before, we ought to take everyone into account. Nations like the DU have been ignored, not to mention the Caribbean nations, always forgotten. We are all equal in this Union when it comes to citizenship, that’s why all your opinions matter.

BrumBrum

Calvin Kühnert: Can we just acknowledge the DU is unhappy and that if we continue on the path of increasing powers of the EU we could face a critical loss of budget which benefits no one. Equally they will never want to meet a 2040 deadline for carbon neutrality, so we need to do stuff like listen to them and aim for less optimistic deadlines on environment. Its not ideal but if its the only way to keep nations like DU in we must compromise. I don't want this to be a irrelevant institution but one that trusts nations to handle implementation of common goals within their culture and systems. We cannot have a one size fits all policy that many have done, for example Spain didn't adopt Bergen because of mistakes insisting on a carbon tax, which sadly the UD government were partially responsible for. More centralisation in most areas will upset nations and cause them to leave, so anyone calling for centralisation I hope you are happy when a load of nations leave destroying your precious budget and unity.How do you Mr Juncker plan to centralise on key things when DU will leave if you do?

Leagio

I believe that the EU should maintain a balance on both sides, where the EU is centralized in areas that the national governments feel is acceptable for example many of governments have accepted the idea of standardizing Hospital Ships. This area is something that can be built on for the EU to continue to function as a faithful organization to all its member states. However, we should avoid having to entangle the governments in topics that revive childish behavior and result in further destabilization within the region for the sake of peace and prosperity. It is the duty of the EU to represent the internests of the people and nation states within the EU, where the Commission is an organ that works with the EU Council that too properly functions in a legal and active manner where nationalistic tendencies do not dictate every whim of the powers of the EU in how it treats other members.

Spain

Mr. Kühnert, you’re misleading the Europeans once again. I haven’t said I only want to centralise, but rather what other candidates have: we must find a balance.

About the DU, the ones who want to leave are its people, not the DU Government as of today. According to the same poll you’ve mentioned and are trying to use in your advantage, a 63.9% want us to take action on Climate Change, so again, let’s not mislead the people watching us tonight. You’ve also claimed you ‘don’t want an irrelevant institution’ but you aim for it, getting rid of the budget system and giving the money to states; which would null the Council legislative powers as there’s a lack of budget; making the Union a ‘broken toy’. If that’s the European Union you want and that you’ve indeed proposed tonight, then you really want to disband and destroy this Union.

Last, but not least, thanks to centralization we’ve the EDA, the one that you’re defending so much, but also beneficial acts like the Nuclear Test Regulations, the Nuclear Proliferation Act or the Ocean Protection Act; and how many nations have left? One, and not because of them. Don’t be an alarmist.

BrumBrum

Mr Juncker you mention the poll that 63% support European Union action on climate change in the DU but how many will be willing to back the actual actions needed unless the EU gives them more money than the average nation to reflect their greater challenges?

I do not aim to make the EU irrelevent , that is a lie. What I do wish to do is give it the right powers and make nations be more in control on the conditions of spending money. Giving allocations will show trust in the nations as well as make it more effective since only nations know the best way to spend money locally and the biggest challenges. I do not wish to get rid of the budget system but I do wish for the EDA to get 35-60 Billion and decentralise more by having allocations given to local boards run by nations rather than some distant eurocrat. This would make the projects more effective since they would be designed by locals and conditions set by locals. It would enhance the capability not diminish it.

Spain

None of us know what the Duxburian people that were asked think about the measures you proposed to stop climate change. Money isn’t the solution to every single problem this Union has, let’s see if you can manage to get that right.

It’s no lie that you want this Union to disband, Mr. Kühnert, you’ve just admitted it! You want to turn the EU into a bank that its unique function is giving money, just that. And once again, you bring back that Duchian, pro-sovereignty candidate terminology, the ‘distant Eurocrat’. You have taken a long time to say it, but you finally uncovered your real you: you are another pro-sovereignty candidate that only guarantees inactivity. I wonder how long will it take you to call me an ‘euro-dictator’ or an ‘euro-fanatic’; that’s what usually all of you do with EPA candidates.

Ladies and gentlemen, the decision is very easy to take: if you want the same we’ve had until this election, Mr. Kühnert is your choice. If you want progress, stability, balance, good judgement and action, I am your choice. I’ll improve this Union, my rival will just blow it up and turn it into a bank for member states.

BrumBrum

Calvin Kühnert: I think what Europe has just heard is you admitting you do not trust the nations to handle projects and money. You just want to tell them how to develop by setting conditions on the money from a European level, that is not an EU I want.You only need to look at the current Cycle Superhighway Network bid from the Duchies. Its still not approved and stupidly the EU asked why Duchies couldn't make it a car centric white line on a road style bike-lane for the country side which would have completely undermined said project by making it less safe for bicycles. Is that what nations want when applying for funding , paperwork, bureaucracy on a per project basis and an EU with no understanding of local context or culture setting conditions. Only the locals know their nation and what works so why not leave it to national experts on local EDA boards to make relevent decisions on how funding gets spent on local and national development, let an accountable locally selected or elected board set conditions on funding applications.The truth is Juncker doesn't trust you and thinks you need big daddy to tell you how to develop.

Inimicus

Candidates, I'm afraid we've come to the end of what has been a lively and informative debate. Each candidate will now have 2 minutes ((OOC: 300 words)) for their closing statements. Thank you.

Spain

Europeans, I’d like to thank you for listening and staying with us until the end of the debate. As someone experienced on Commission elections and the work you get if you win them, I hope that my proposals have been the most appealing to you.

During this debate, you’ve seen how there’re two different alternatives to choose from in this election: the first one, represented by myself, in which activity, commitment, good judgement and bringing change to the European Union; the other, represented by my rival, will only keep providing what Mr. Biden and his pro-sovereignty ‘gang’ have: absolutely nothing but disinterest and inaction. Europe needs stability, not someone who gambles with your money, goes over there using the same language other pro-sovereignty candidates, and offers a lot, but then delivers nothing but unaccomplished promises.

The European Union I wish to achieve with my measures is the one we should all aim for: a Union that fixes its problems with the European Court of Justice, puts an end to the Council’s inactivity, protects your cultural and economic sovereignty, increases the European Development Agency’s budget, cares about our nature and Climate Change, pursuing an agreement or helps our farmers and fishers. And most importantly, a Commission led by someone with experience, that you all know and that is actually committed with you and that is going to work for this Union until the end of the term.

My dear Europeans, the choice is easy: progress or disbanding the Union. Action or inaction. Stability or chaos. To avoid yet another disaster in our region, I need you to vote for me, because with that vote, we are going to achieve big things that will benefit you and many other European citizens. Let’s unveil the power of Europe.

Thank you, and good night.

BrumBrum

Calvin Kühnert: People of Europe for too long you have been underserved and ignored by a Europe that does nothing for you. I promise if elected I will be active and trust your nations judgement and show trust in you the people of Europe. I will deliver a full budget with no money unspent so Europe can actually do something and have the resources it needs but I will also reorganise Europe so that is works. You will have an EDA with with national boards controlled by your nations that controls the funding in your nations allowing people who actually know your culture and economy to make key decisions on sustainable development. I will also deliver on a climate change agreement that respects where all nations are and where they can go, not one that forces EU conditions on countries and will back this with money being allocated based on how much resources one has and acknowledging extra challenges some have converting from high carbon Economies. Only by acknowledging the gaps between countries and helping close these by providing the resources necessary will we succeed in a green transition.

I will focus on partnering with you , not telling you how to spend and use resources from the European Union. You can choose between my concrete policy proposals and reforms that protect your sovereignty while ensuring you all have as much resources as you need to make the green transition or a candidate who has shown time and again they want to generally centralise to people who do not know about your nation and has only offered vague funding promises and has not even explained fully how his ideas will actually work and who does not care about detail. So choose wisely and make it count so you can Use The Budget.

Leagio

People of the European Union, in this race, we have a choice. A choice of their responsibility to respond to the needs of national governments that you elect or represents you or the choice of self interest in ideology that you feel has not worked to ensure your needs. We need a Internal Affairs Commissioner that is willing to hear the needs of change, actual change, that your governments need in order to respond to your wishes. My opponent throughout her tenure has failed in her duty to bring about a level of respect for the position of internal affairs Commissioner between all member nations and European Union itself, where throughout her tenure she has only been focused on policies and responses that have no focus of reform on the commission itself to ensure that it survives for all time. We need a candidate as willing to talk to all the member nations and governments within this European Union, where the governments feel that the European Union is here to represent their interests and not its own interests. Many of the national governments that are part of our union call for reform and not just reform focused on one aspect. Your governments wish for reform that makes the European Union more active in its role between itself and the member governments.

My interests are as the same as Mr. Juncker and we both want a European Union that is more stable and is willing to work for the progress of this union. Voting for me is a vote for the stability and lasting peace of the entire European Union. A vote for me is a vote for respect to your own nations ability to be respected with all members of this union and feel welcomed by all members of the European Commission. We can do meaningful change that you the voter wants because together we stand but divided we fall. We can continue on our current path of the vision and hurling this respect at our member nations or we can work together and build a better European Union in where everyone is truly equal.

Thank you and have a wonderful evening.

Istkalen

Dear Europeans, thank you for watching and listening.

I have paved new paths of communication between the Commission, the nations, and the people, worked to control the bureaucracy, enforced the law as written when it sought to overstep it, and engaged in democratic and equal dialogue with the Council, rather than imposing, illegally, proclamations and orders issued from above.

I have put an end to the era of extraconstitutionality; to the constant overstepping of legal boundaries, to bizarre personalist rule, and to the impunity enjoyed by those who engaged in these practices. Legality and openness, at last, prevail.

I seek to maintain the progress made during my first term, while at the same time pursuing peace, the democratization of aid and research, and the expansion of finance to all. We now , at last, have a Union that operates legally; it is now time for a Union with utility, a responsive Union which protects peace and independence while promoting tangible and sustainable development for all Europeans.

What is the alternative? More power to the Commission, in the name of protecting legal checks and balances. Complete legislative gridlock. The effective abolition of the right of Councillors to make the choice to refuse to vote. Nonsensical and useless reform to the ECB on premises completely divorced from reality. And for ordinary people? Nothing.

Let's work for a better Europe. Where the law is respected, where justice prevails, where a better future is in reach.

Dear friends, thank you! Have a good night!

Inimicus

Candidates, thank you all for your contributions to this debate. As all candidates have now delivered their closing statements, this concludes our event tonight. To everyone watching at home and on the various streaming platforms this debate was shown on, I say goodnight. To our candidates, I say good luck. And to all European voters and representatives who vote for Commissioner, I wish all the wisdom in the world to make their decision.

Candidates, thank you again. Europe, goodnight!