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    • C
      Czech Slavia EU last edited by

      I would like to thank the Council Speaker for raising this issue in the Council. I agree with the attempt to regulate alternative medicine. At the same time, I have to wonder what she exactly meant by alternative medicine as it is not clear who will be a judge of the "lack of scientific plausibility, testability, repeatability, and/or evidence for the claims made about them". Especially I would like to bring attention to the wording "and/or evidence" meaning as leaving or means they don't have to to have the qualities of scientific plausibility, testability and repeatability as long as there is any vague evidence, since that term doesn't have a definition.

      If it is the aim for these to apply uniformly across the EU, there would need to be a list of these practices, likely frequently updated. If it is intended to be left to the Member States, the text should state so in the definitions.

      Now to comments the comments made by my other colleague previously, While I agree with the Article III, I feel like paragraphs a. to c. feel in fact like an endorsement of some providers of the alternative medicine, which I am not sure is a desirable outcome.

      Thank you for considering these comments.

      Sofie Čikarová
      Councillor for Czech Slavia

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      • BrumBrum
        BrumBrum Commission @Czech Slavia last edited by

        I echo the concerns of the right honourable Ms. Čikarová.I support and applaud the idea of this act especially as a father of two wonderful Autistic boys who's community so often suffers from such charlatans.However there needs to be definitions for alternative medicine and procedures open criteria to establish scientific plausibility and proof. Without this we could outlaw totally legitimate medicines for minor ailments that don't go through the same tests as crucial medicine such as for cough ailments.

        James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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        • Istkalen
          Istkalen EU last edited by Istkalen

          In response to the comments made by Cllr. Čikarová, I propose the following amendment:


          AMENDMENT II

          SECTION I. DEFINITIONS

          I. Alternative medicine: practices purported to have palliative or healing effects that lack scientific plausibility, testability, repeatability, and /or evidence for the claims made about them , as determined by individual member-states.


          However, my original intention with this act was merely to allow individuals harmed by alternative medicine practitioners to sue, and thus for local civil courts to hold the responsibility of determining which of their cases have standing - and thus of interpreting it on a case-by-case basis.

          I am also confused by the statement made by Cllr. Mizrachi-Roscoe for similar reasons. This act does not outlaw alternative medicine. It simply holds its providers responsible for telling the truth and for not harming their patients - a standard which modern medicine is already generally held to.

          Iras Tilkanas
          Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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          • Istkalen
            Istkalen EU last edited by

            I also propose the following amendment:


            AMENDMENT III

            II. Providers of alternative medicine are liable for all harm caused to consumers of the services, practices, or products they offer that arises because of the consumption of said services, practices, or products, the possibility of which was not previously disclosed by the provider.


            Iras Tilkanas
            Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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            • Istkalen
              Istkalen EU last edited by

              Debate has ended. Three amendments have been proposed, as follows:

              AMENDMENT I

              III. Alternative medical providers must duly inform users of their services that practices deemed to be 'alternative medicine' under this act are not endorsed by any official health agencies, and the provider must disclose any possible consequences of undergoing alternative medical treatment.

              a. All practising alternative medical institutions must apply for and obtain a licence to practise. This licence accredits appropriate compliance with disclosure requirements.

              b. The disclosure, and disclosure licence, must be made public and readily available to users and to potential users.

              c. The relevant government agency, determined by the government of a respective state, can request evidence of this disclosure and licence to ensure continued compliance, and issue penalties for noncompliance.


              AMENDMENT II

              SECTION I. DEFINITIONS

              I. Alternative medicine: practices purported to have palliative or healing effects that lack scientific plausibility, testability, repeatability, and /or evidence for the claims made about them , as determined by individual member-states.


              AMENDMENT III

              II. Providers of alternative medicine are liable for all harm caused to consumers of the services, practices, or products they offer that arises because of the consumption of said services, practices, or products, the possibility of which was not previously disclosed by the provider.


              Voting on amendments begins NOW and will continue until 23:59 GMT on 3 July 2023.

              Iras Tilkanas
              Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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              • BrumBrum
                BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by

                On behalf of United Duchies I vote *FOR ALL ammendments
                James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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                • California
                  California EU last edited by

                  On the behalf of the Commonwealth of California, I vote FOR all amendments.

                  Snoop Dogg
                  Councilor of the Commonwealth of California

                  The Commonwealth of California
                  Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                  Governor-General Julia Gillard
                  Councilor Snoop Dogg

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                  • Yosai
                    Yosai EU last edited by

                    On behalf of the Federal Republic of Yosai I vote For all amendments.

                    Izumi Miwako
                    Councillor for the Federal Republic of Yosai

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                    • Istkalen
                      Istkalen EU last edited by

                      On behalf of the Republic of Istkalen, I vote AGAINST Amendment I and FOR amendments II and III.

                      Iras Tilkanas
                      Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                      • Leagio
                        Leagio ECoJ last edited by

                        On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote FOR all Amendments.

                        Lionel Morel
                        EU-Councilor for Leagio

                        President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
                        Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
                        EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

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                          Czech Slavia EU last edited by

                          On behalf of the Democratic Republic of Czech Slavia, I vote AGAINST Amendment I. and vote FOR Amendments II. and III.

                          Sofie Čikarová
                          Councillor for Czech Slavia

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                          • Spain
                            Spain last edited by

                            I vote FOR all amendments.

                            Donald Tusk
                            Candidate for Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                            The Kingdom of Spain
                            His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                            President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                            Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                            • Istkalen
                              Istkalen EU last edited by

                              With five votes for and two against, Amendment I has passed.

                              With seven votes for, Amendments II and III have passed.

                              Final voting begins NOW and continues until 23:59 GMT on 14 July 2023.

                              Iras Tilkanas
                              Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                              • Istkalen
                                Istkalen EU last edited by

                                On behalf of the Republic of Istkalen, I vote FOR this act.

                                Iras Tilkanas
                                Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                                • Istkalen
                                  Istkalen EU last edited by

                                  I do not think it is appropriate for an act to pass by the vote of its author; I am therefore extending voting to 23:59 GMT on 20 July 2023.

                                  Iras Tilkanas
                                  Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                                  • BrumBrum
                                    BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by

                                    On behalf of United Duchies I vote FOR this act
                                    James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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                                    • Leagio
                                      Leagio ECoJ last edited by

                                      On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote FOR this Act.

                                      Lionel Morel
                                      EU-Councilor for Leagio

                                      President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
                                      Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
                                      EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

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                                      • Spain
                                        Spain last edited by

                                        On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote FOR this act.

                                        Donald Tusk
                                        Council Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                                        The Kingdom of Spain
                                        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                        President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                                        • California
                                          California EU last edited by

                                          On behalf of the Commonwealth of California, I vote for this act.

                                          Snoop Dogg
                                          Councilor for the Commonwealth of California

                                          The Commonwealth of California
                                          Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                                          Governor-General Julia Gillard
                                          Councilor Snoop Dogg

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                                          • Spain
                                            Spain last edited by

                                            Voting has now concluded. With 5 votes FOR and none AGAINST, this bill has PASSED.

                                            Donald Tusk
                                            Council Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                                            The Kingdom of Spain
                                            His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                            President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                            Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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