NS European Union

    • Register
    • Login
    • Search
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Tags
    • Popular
    • Users
    • Groups
    • Discord

    EU Personal Transport Safety Standards Act

    European Council
    10
    39
    2786
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • Istkalen
      Istkalen EU last edited by

      It is simply not the responsibility of this Union to impose the highest, most bleeding-edge possible standards on its member-states. That is the prerogative of the member-states. While, as I have made clear, I am not opposed in principle to a set of basic regulations for motorized vehicles, this proposal is simply too extreme.

      Iras Tilkanas
      Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

      BrumBrum 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • BrumBrum
        BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by BrumBrum

        In the spirit of compromise I am Willing to propose an amendment
        Article I:Definitions
        I.Personal Automobile:Any vehicle with 4 or 3 wheels above 500kg with a fixed or convertible roof that is powered either an electric or combustion engine.
        II.Motorcycle: A powered two-wheel motor vehicle by either electric or combustion engine
        III.E-Bike: A motor-assisted or driven, pedal-driven, single-track vehicle, with two wheels attached to a frame, one behind the other.
        IV.E-Tri-cycle: A small vehicle like a bicycle with two wheels at the back and one at the front either powered by pedal , electrically assisted or by a motor.
        V.E-Scooter: A vehicle ridden while standing that consists of a narrow footboard mounted between or atop two wheels tandem that has an upright steering handle attached to the front wheel, and that is moved by pushing with one foot or an electric motor.
        VI.Light Personal Vehicle:Motor vehicles with four or three wheels whose unladen mass is not more than 500kg
        VII.Personal Electric Micro-mobility Vehicle:Any powered bike , scooter or Light Personal Vehicle powered by electric or electrically assisted with a battery system on board.

        Article 4: Safety Standards for -E-Bikes and E-Scooters
        I.All newly manufactured E-bikes and E-scooters must have a registration plate on back and front readable by cameras to be road legal
        II.All newly manufactured E-bikes and E-scooters must have indicators visible from the rear and front to be road legal
        III.All newly manufactured E-bikes and E-scooters must have mirrors to be road legal
        IV.All newly manufactured E-bikes and E-scooters must have working front and back lights to be road legal
        V.All newly manufactured E-bikes and E-scooters must have working brake lights in order to be road legal
        VI.Any 2 wheeled Personal Electric Micro-mobility Vehicle may only have 500 watt motors and a maximum assisted speed of 30 km/h, GPS assist speed limiters and cut out to be road legal
        VII.Motorcycles must meet all the above regulations exept Article 4 VI and have anti-lock braking systems in order to be road legal. The speed on motorcycles allowed shall be decided by nationstates.

        Skye Hook

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • Sertia
          Sertia EU last edited by Sertia

          I have been listening closely to this debate, and I appreciate both the objections from the Spanish and Istklenian councillors, and the compromise proposed by Cllr Hook.
          The most prominent concern--I am nearly certain--is that this act doesn't account for the economic and cultural diversity of the EU. And I have to agree, Cllr Hook. This act would require the least amount of work from higher income nations--such as the Duchies--and the most from the lower income nations, such as my constituency (Sertia).
          That's not the only problem in this category. Imagine how people would see, as Cllr Tilkannas already perceives it, a massive piece of regulatory legislation enforced by those in Europolis. Is there a better way to turn the public against the 'legislative elite '? Even from our fellow councillors there are already defensive responses within this vein.
          For us in Sertia, the legislation would be no problem. We could enforce this whilst sat back watching rubbish TV. Do you know why? Because in Sertia we have less than 300 cars total. And there are scarcely any more versatile or transferable regulations to alternative modes of transport, such as horse carriages.
          I do think that this act would be useful for us, though. With the expansion of personal transit, E-bikes and electric scooters are becoming more and more commonplace ans they require regulation. So on that point I applaud the intentions of this act.
          So in a way, I understand the concern of the Spanish and Istkalenian councillors. However, I think the issue is quite easily rectifiable. We'll need an amendment which requires multiple chapters of the Transport Board to govern locally. I therefore propose the following amendments:

          Amendment V: Article 2 Section VI: In cross-border areas where a similar mode of transport is utilised, a local chapter of the EU Personal Transit Safety Board must be established to create suitable regulations for the locality. Regions located within a single country must permit the Board to establish a chapter there before they can do so.

          BrumBrum 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • BrumBrum
            BrumBrum Commission @Sertia last edited by

            I do understand concerns the reason I think it is important for those features to remain is this is about life and death. I wouldn't personally want to explain to a parent of a dead child about why their child died to save a little bit of money on the production costs of a car. The sensors and cameras for lane keep assist are already essentially on the car anyway in most circumstances for features such as parking assist or cruise control. The only real extra cost is a little extra coding. All cars nowadays tend to have GPS units as GPS is very cheap , so much so even most cars at the lowest price points have those systems. This act would barely add any extra cost to cars and bikes but would save 10's of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of lives per year. Surely that is worth the cost of adding maximum of a few thousand euros per car or a few hundred euros per E-Bike or possibly even bike and scooter.

            After all if one can afford a 1,000 Euro E-Bike or a 14,000 Euro car new can they not also afford an extra few thousand Euros or few hundred Euros for the extra safety features. This is an argument essentially over spending cents on the Euro to get lifesaving results that could save 10's or hundreds of thousands of lives especially those of children who are the most vulnerable road and street users.

            Skye Hook , Councillour for United Duchies

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • Spain
              Spain last edited by

              Debate is now over. It is time to vote on the proposed amendments. There are EIGHT amendments up to vote:

              Amendment I - Proposed by Cllr. Iras Tilkanas

              Article I: Definitions
              I. Personal Automobile:Any vehicle with 4 or 3 wheels above 500kg with a fixed or convertible roof that is powered either an electric or combustion engine.
              II. Motorcycle: A powered two-wheel motor vehicle by either electric or combustion engine
              III. Bike: A human-powered or motor-assisted, pedal-driven, single-track vehicle, with two wheels attached to a frame, one behind the other.
              IV. Tri-cycle:A small vehicle like a bicycle with two wheels at the back and one at the front either powered by pedal with electrically assisted electrical assistance or by a motor.
              V. Scooter:A vehicle ridden while standing that consists of a narrow footboard mounted between or atop two wheels tandem that has an upright steering handle attached to the front wheel, and that is moved by pushing with one foot or ,in part or in whole, an electric motor.
              VI. Light Personal Vehicle:Motor vehicles with four or three wheels whose unladen mass is not more than 500kg
              VII. Personal Electric Micro-mobility Vehicle:Any powered bike , scooter or Light Personal Vehicle powered by electric or electrically assisted with a battery system on board.


              Amendment II - Proposed by Cllr. Iras Tilkanas

              Remove Article 2


              Amendment III - Proposed by Cllr. Iras Tilkanas

              Article 3: Safety Standards for Personal Automobiles
              I. All newly manufactured Personal Automobiles must have indicators visible at the back and front of the vehicle to be considered road legal
              II. All newly manufactured Personal Automobiles must have working brake lights in working order to be considered road legal
              III. All Personal Automobiles must have working daytime running tail and headlights to be considered road legal.
              IV. All newly manufactured Personal Automobiles must have working seat belts, anti-lock braking systems, drowsiness detection systems, intelligent speed assistance , accurate tyre pressure monitoring, lane keeping assist, blindspot monitoring systems, door mirrors, internal central mirrors ,GPS based speed limiter systems (on by default), safe crumple zones and front and rear airbags to be considered road legal.
              V. All Personal Automobiles must have number plate holders and number plates on the back and front of the vehicle readable by cameras to be road legal
              VI. Personal Automobiles designed for purely track based or motorsport use are exempt from these requirements but may not be used on public roads


              Amendment IV - Proposed by Cllr. Iras Tilkanas

              Article 4: Safety Standards for Bikes and Scooters
              I. All newly manufactured bikes and scooters must have a registration plate on back and front readable by cameras to be road legal
              II. All newly manufactured bikes and scooters must have indicators visible from the rear and front to be road legal
              III. All newly manufactured bikes and scooters must have mirrors to be road legal
              IV. All newly manufactured bikes and scooters must have working front and back lights to be road legal
              V. All newly manufactured bikes and scooters must have working brake lights in order to be road legal
              VI.Any 2 wheeled Personal Electric Micro-mobility Vehicle may only have 500 watt motors and a maximum assisted speed of 30 km/h, GPS assist speed limiters and cut out to be road legal
              VII. VI. Motorcycles must meet all the above regulations and have anti-lock braking systems in order to be road legal. The speed on motorcycles allowed shall be decided by nationstates.


              Amendment V - Proposed by Cllr. Skye Hook

              Article 3: Safety Standards for Personal Automobiles
              I. All newly manufactured Personal Automobiles must have indicators visible at the back and front of the vehicle to be considered road legal
              II. All newly manufactured Personal Automobiles must have working brake lights in working order to be considered road legal
              III. All Personal Automobiles must have working daytime running tail and headlights to be considered road legal.
              IV. All newly manufactured Personal Automobiles must have working seat belts, anti-lock braking systems, drowsiness detection systems, intelligent speed assistance ,accurate tyre pressure monitoring, overridable lane keeping assist or lane departure warning systems , blindspot monitoring systems, door mirrors, internal central mirrors ,GPS based speed limiter systems (on by default), safe crumple zones and front and rear airbags to be considered road legal.
              V. All Personal Automobiles must have number plate holders and number plates on the back and front of the vehicle readable by cameras to be road legal
              VI. Personal Automobiles designed for purely track based or motorsport use are exempt from these requirements but may not be used on public roads


              Amendment VI - Proposed by Cllr. Skye Hook

              Article 4: Safety Standards for Bikes and Scooters
              I.All newly manufactured bikes and scooters must have a registration plate on back and front readable by cameras to be road legal
              II I. All newly manufactured bikes and scooters must have indicators visible from the rear and front to be road legal
              III II. All newly manufactured bikes and scooters must have mirrors to be road legal
              IV. III. All newly manufactured bikes and scooters must have working front and back lights to be road legal
              V IV. All newly manufactured bikes and scooters must have working brake lights in order to be road legal
              VI V. Any 2 wheeled Personal Electric Micro-mobility Vehicle may only have 500 watt motors and a maximum assisted speed of 30 km/h, GPS assist speed limiters and cut out to be road legal
              VII VI. Motorcycles must meet all the above regulations and have anti-lock braking systems in order to be road legal. The speed on motorcycles allowed shall be decided by nationstates.


              Amendment VII - Proposed by Cllr. Skye Hook

              Article I: Definitions
              I. Personal Automobile:Any vehicle with 4 or 3 wheels above 500kg with a fixed or convertible roof that is powered either an electric or combustion engine.
              II. Motorcycle: A powered two-wheel motor vehicle by either electric or combustion engine
              III. E-Bike: A motor-assisted or driven, pedal-driven, single-track vehicle, with two wheels attached to a frame, one behind the other.
              IV. E-Tri-cycle: A small vehicle like a bicycle with two wheels at the back and one at the front either powered by pedal , electrically assisted or by a motor.
              V. E-Scooter: A vehicle ridden while standing that consists of a narrow footboard mounted between or atop two wheels tandem that has an upright steering handle attached to the front wheel, and that is moved by pushing with one foot or an electric motor.
              VI. Light Personal Vehicle:Motor vehicles with four or three wheels whose unladen mass is not more than 500kg
              VII. Personal Electric Micro-mobility Vehicle:Any powered bike , scooter or Light Personal Vehicle powered by electric or electrically assisted with a battery system on board.


              Amendment VIII - Proposed by Cllr. Skye Hook

              Article 4: Safety Standards for -E-Bikes and E-Scooters
              I. All newly manufactured E-bikes and E-scooters must have a registration plate on back and front readable by cameras to be road legal
              II. All newly manufactured E-bikes and E-scooters must have indicators visible from the rear and front to be road legal
              III. All newly manufactured E-bikes and E-scooters must have mirrors to be road legal
              IV. All newly manufactured E-bikes and E-scooters must have working front and back lights to be road legal
              V. All newly manufactured E-bikes and E-scooters must have working brake lights in order to be road legal
              VI. Any 2 wheeled Personal Electric Micro-mobility Vehicle may only have 500 watt motors and a maximum assisted speed of 30 km/h, GPS assist speed limiters and cut out to be road legal
              VII. Motorcycles must meet all the above regulations exept Article 4 VI and have anti-lock braking systems in order to be road legal. The speed on motorcycles allowed shall be decided by nationstates.


              Voting on amendments will commence NOW and will last until 23:27 GMT on July 8th, 2024.


              I vote FOR Amendments I, II, III and IV and AGAINST Amendments V, VI, VII and VIII.

              Donald Tusk
              Council Speaker and Councillor for Spain

              The Kingdom of Spain
              His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
              President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
              Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

              BrumBrum 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • BrumBrum
                BrumBrum Commission @Spain last edited by BrumBrum

                On behalf of United Duchies I vote AGAINST amendments I, II,III and IV ,and FOR amendments V ,VI, VII and VIII
                Sky Hook Deputy Councillour for United Duchies

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • California
                  California EU last edited by California

                  The United Kingdom votes for amendments V, VI, VII and VIII; against all others.

                  Jess Phillips

                  The Commonwealth of California
                  Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                  Governor-General Julia Gillard
                  Councilor Snoop Dogg

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • Istkalen
                    Istkalen EU last edited by

                    I vote FOR all amendments, including that of Cllr Dína's - that ought to be included, no?

                    Iras Tilkanas
                    Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • Spain
                      Spain last edited by

                      Yes, my mistake. There are indeed NINE amendments up to vote, with the missing one in the compilationg being the following:

                      Amendment IX - Proposed by Cllr. Edutitale Dína

                      Article 2 - Creation of European Personal Transport Safety Board
                      VI. In cross-border areas where a similar mode of transport is utilised, a local chapter of the EU Personal Transit Safety Board must be established to create suitable regulations for the locality. Regions located within a single country must permit the Board to establish a chapter there before they can do so.
                      VI. VII. This agency shall be based in Europolis.


                      Due to this inconvenience, I urge Councillors Hook and Philips to express their position on the amendment.


                      I vote FOR Amendment IX.

                      Donald Tusk
                      Council Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                      The Kingdom of Spain
                      His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                      President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                      Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

                      BrumBrum California 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • BrumBrum
                        BrumBrum Commission @Spain last edited by

                        On behalf of United Duchies I vote AGAINST Amendment IX
                        Skye Hook, Deputy Councillour for United Duchies

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • BrumBrum
                          BrumBrum Commission last edited by

                          This post is deleted!
                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • California
                            California EU @Spain last edited by

                            @Spain said in EU Personal Transport Safety Standards Act:

                            Yes, my mistake. There are indeed NINE amendments up to vote, with the missing one in the compilationg being the following:

                            Amendment IX - Proposed by Cllr. Edutitale Dína

                            Article 2 - Creation of European Personal Transport Safety Board
                            VI. In cross-border areas where a similar mode of transport is utilised, a local chapter of the EU Personal Transit Safety Board must be established to create suitable regulations for the locality. Regions located within a single country must permit the Board to establish a chapter there before they can do so.
                            VI. VII. This agency shall be based in Europolis.


                            Due to this inconvenience, I urge Councillors Hook and Philips to express their position on the amendment.


                            I vote FOR Amendment IX.

                            Donald Tusk
                            Council Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                            Ditto, The United Kingdom votes for Amendment IX

                            The Commonwealth of California
                            Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                            Governor-General Julia Gillard
                            Councilor Snoop Dogg

                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • Spain
                              Spain last edited by

                              Voting on the amendments has concluded. The voting results are the following:

                              • With 2 votes FOR and 2 votes AGAINST, Amendment I has FAILED.
                              • With 2 votes FOR and 2 votes AGAINST, Amendment II has FAILED.
                              • With 2 votes FOR and 2 votes AGAINST, Amendment III has FAILED.
                              • With 2 votes FOR and 2 votes AGAINST, Amendment IV has FAILED.
                              • With 3 votes FOR and 1 vote AGAINST, Amendment V has PASSED.
                              • With 3 votes FOR and 1 vote AGAINST, Amendment VI has PASSED.
                              • With 3 votes FOR and 1 vote AGAINST, Amendment VII has PASSED.
                              • With 3 votes FOR and 1 vote AGAINST, Amendment VIII has PASSED.
                              • With 3 votes FOR and 1 vote AGAINST, Amendment IX has PASSED.

                              The proposal has been updated accordingly.


                              Final voting begins NOW and will last until 22:26 GMT on July 16th, 2024.


                              On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote AGAINST this act.

                              Donald Tusk
                              Council Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                              The Kingdom of Spain
                              His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                              President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                              Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • Istkalen
                                Istkalen EU last edited by

                                I vote AGAINST this act.

                                Iras Tilkanas
                                Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

                                BrumBrum 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • BrumBrum
                                  BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by

                                  On behalf of United Duchies I vote FOR this act
                                  Skye Hook ,Deputy Councillou for United Duchies

                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • Elthize
                                    Elthize ECoJ last edited by

                                    I vote AGAINST this act.


                                    Devon Albert
                                    Interim Councillor for The State of Elthize

                                    Unless stated otherwise, all content is fiction and does not represent any person, group of people or entity whose imagery or likeness may be used. If possible, images will be attributed.

                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • California
                                      California EU last edited by

                                      The United Kingdom votes for the legislation.

                                      Caroline Lucas

                                      The Commonwealth of California
                                      Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                                      Governor-General Julia Gillard
                                      Councilor Snoop Dogg

                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • Sertia
                                        Sertia EU last edited by

                                        The Kingdom of Sertia votes for this act.

                                        Ms Édutitalle Dína

                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • Leagio
                                          Leagio ECoJ last edited by

                                          The Commonwealth of Leagio votes AGAINST this Act.

                                          EU-Councilor Lionel Morel

                                          President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
                                          Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
                                          EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                          • Yosai
                                            Yosai EU last edited by

                                            On behalf of the Federal Republic of Yosai, I vote FOR this act.

                                            Izumi Miwako, Councillor for the Federal Republic of Yosai.

                                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                            • First post
                                              Last post
                                            Our forums are maintained by volunteers. Consider donating to help us cover our monthly expenses and keep everything up and running Donate