Eastern Haane Intervention Motion
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I agree with Commissioner Juncker, we The Kingdom of Montenbourg accept this motion. We want to make it clear that we are a neutral nation, our efforts will only be in behalf of the European Relief Force for peacekeeping, if possible all our troops would be present in here. We do not want to violate our neutrality.
Of course with the annuace of this council we can proceed.
Emma Granger
Councillor of Montenbourg -
Colleagues, I'd like to request if Gen. Smith of the Royal Army will be given permision to speak before this council.
Friedrich van Allen
Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag -
Permission is granted. The Council floor is open for any esteemed guest to speak.
Edward Firoux
Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista -
Thank you Mr. Speaker. Estimable members of the European Council, good morning.
I am here to present the acts that have been committed by the Haaneans in this crisis. Certainly, I do not think that diplomacy is still a solution to be considered in solving this problem.
I have here video recordings showing the Haaneans using a poisonous substances against our forces. We have identified the chemical as a form of opium that they burnt which caused more than 200 of our personnel to lose consciousness or even die. Our Medical Support Corps have tried to save some of our men but they failed. These guerilla rebels were identified as pro-Socialist armed groups that captured 2 Challenger 2 tanks and 1 Slingshot Howitzer from our team. They also blew up the runway at the former Kiel Airport and placed nails on the path of our Artillery regiments to prevent them from getting any further.
I request this estimable body to consider my suggestion to stop these forces due to their use of bio/chemical weapons against us. In response to their attack, we have used our Armed/Attack Helicopters against them loaded with rocket pods to try and stop them from doing any further damage.
Gen. Sir Mark Carleton-Smith
Chief of Staff, Royal Army -
Firstly I would like to present the following amendments:
AMENDMENT 1:
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This coalition of willing members shall be lead by a commissioned flag officer who shall be appointed by the Premier Commissioner on the consent of participating members. This flag officer shall be from a nation with no previous attachment to operations within Eastern Haane.
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The coalition shall only have legal merit until the 31st of December, 2020. The European Council in the weeks proceeding this expiration shall consider an additional three month extension.
AMENDMENT 2:
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Members of the Coalition intervening in Eastern Haane must inform and brief the European Council on their actions in the territory of Eastern Haane at least once every
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Any member state intervening in Eastern Haane, or continuing to do so after the passage of this motion, is hereby condemned by the European Council and may face legal action in the European Court of Justice.
a. Member states intervening in Eastern Haane outside of the Coalition, who then join said Coalition within 48 hours of the passage of this motion, may be exempt from measures under this section.
b. Any member-states which have engage in open combat with any native elements or groups within Eastern Haane shall not be allowed to take part in further military actions in the nation even as part of the coalition. These member-states shall be allowed to continue humanitarian and medical actions under supervision from the coalition commander. This section shall be appealable to the coalition commander
It goes without saying I am very much distressed by the entire situation revolving Eastern Haane, its capacity to turn bad into worse should not go underestimate it should seem.
There is a European solution to this crisis, however, it seems some nations have elected to apply their own definition of a European solution to this crisis. I will not beat around the bush, and share my government and people's sentiment towards the nearly vigilante justice surrounding the Reitzmag 'excursion' into Eastern Haane. I pity the men and women dying over there due to the shortsightedness of their leaders.
"I do not think that diplomacy is still a solution to be considered in solving this problem." coming from the man whose nation on their own, from no one's invitation or support thrust themselves into an evolving and turbulent crisis. There was a diplomatic solution sir, and there still is. Unfortunately I doubt Reitzmag can be part of a diplomatic solution anymore, at least one lead by Europe.
Eastern Haane has a culture, history, and societal structure unlike anywhere else in Europe. I do not believe we can impose European Order without the participation of Eastern Haaneans in said process. That was in the process of being deprived from them when the Kingdom of Reitzmag attempted to instate its own order. It went far away from the notion of humanitarian aid by attempting to capture an entire city, airport etc. without considering the response from local groups.
I condemn the use of chemical agents on Reitzmic troops, and the claim if true should be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of European law. Much like how Reitzmic officers should be investigated and prosecuted for violating the principals of the UDoHR with their blatant disregard for life, and disproportional response to attacks upon them. Apparently when one throws a stone, a tank shoots back according to Reitzmag combat doctrine.
I am not condoning the actions of any group within Eastern Haane, I am acknowledging the reality of attempting to impose any form of peace or order without first working out what that should mean. If this coalition is to be a success we need to include a variety of Eastern Haane individuals in the process, and they should be leading it themselves. Their a people whose history is filled with tyrannical actions, we must not present Europe as another avenue to tyranny but instead an avenue to support and defend democracy.
I personally hope the Kingdom of Reitzmag looks upon the public nightmare awaiting it if more men and women throw their lives away unnecessiaricily and looks toward actually fulfilling the goals it set to. If the current violence continues, the Archrepublic will not hesitant to forcibly separate the parties as necessary to prevent more loss of life through any means necessary.
The Four Assembled Powers of Vayinaod, Fremet, Inimicus, and Spain will begin their no-fly zone this Saturday, I would like to forward to all councilors a reminder of this if they are planning on executing any missions in Eastern Haane to include this in their planning. This no-fly zone will be strictly enforced. I will be happy to answer questions regarding this, as well as forward any I might not have a proper answer to at this time.
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First, I would like to announce that the President of the Commonwealth will continue with his plan to construct the refugee camp manned by 450 troops. The state of that operation has not been told to me yet as i was not in today's cabinet meeting, but i have discussed with the President and he will gladly co-operate with the Four Assembled Powers No-Fly Zone and be sure to land at Spain or Inimicus for the port of entry before reaching Eastern Haane. The goal and procedures for the camp have already been announced but those troops that will be sent have orders not to advance; instead, they are only to defend the camp and avoid open combat as much as possible. I have been told by the Leagioan Minister of Defense that no heavy weaponry is being moved. The most that i would say that is the heaviest weapon is an RPG, but only because we have heard that the Reitzmag Army lost 2 tanks in open combat and are being used against them. After the camp is built, the only things that the tranpsort aircraft will be carrying as they move back and forward will be suppilies, medicine, and vechile transportation for the extraction of refugee's wanting to get out of Eastern Haane. This vechile will not be used for any military advancement but instead for the purpose of getting the rufugee's safely out of Eastern Haane. I will be sure to provide as much information about as i can until the coalition is finally made through.
Now, focusing on the amendments that Councilor Falk presented, i will not admit that i would rather that they were presented after the passage of the motion itself but i will not argue the reason for these amendments.
But I must ask for some clarification over the last sentence on section 4 clause b, Councilor Falk. Because I am trying to make I understand it to form an opinion about. Could you possibly explain to the Council what you mean on "this section shall be appealable to the coalition commander" ? Does that translate to that the commander can ignore the top bits of the same clause or have a different meaning that I am failing to grasp?
Another question that i have is when Leagio does commit to the refugee camp, what if open combat happens where it was not started by the member-state but by the native elements or groups within Eastern Haane? Does the top sentence of claus b apply to open combat in general whether the member-state intended to get into it or not? Even if it was for humanitarian purposes? Like say for example, and god I hope that it does not happen, but what if the refugee camp gets attack leaving a Leagioan troop without any choice but to open fire as manner to protect the refugees?
Francis Plessis
EU Councilor for Leagio -
To answer your questions Cllr.
"This section shall be appealable to the coalition commander." is to imply that Section 4B may be appealed to the coalition commander who can make the determination as to whether it should apply based on contextual situations. There is an infinite number of potential situations, and I felt making sure that it can be resolved quickly could be possible based on the decision of the coalition commander.
Moving into your second question as it somewhat connects with the first. This section is to state that member-states that have engaged in combat should be removed as part of a continued peacekeeping operation prior to the instatement of a European mission. It will not be beneficial to have states which were active in military operations against local elements not be part of the group attempting to work with some of those elements and potentially police them.
If Leagioans were to defend themselves, unless they appealed to the coalition commander, they would be limited to simply their humanitarian and medical mission and not other military combat situations. If they wished they could appeal this to the coalition commander, and this would only apply to member-states engaged prior to the passage of this act.
The point is that no state prior in Eastern Haane had a legal backing to be there, and has not potentially severely crippled prospects for a European introduced peace process, including rebuilding. We must simplify the equation, and remove potentially incendiary parts to said equation.
I understand that these sections may not be clear enough in those regards, and welcome others to submit amendments under a similar vein.
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I have no objections to Cllr Falk's Amendment 1, I think this makes sense and I will wholeheartedly support it. I do take some issue with Amendment 2 - of course, I am well aware this is very much meant to point towards the forces of Reitzmag currently active in Eastern Haane. I think it would be unwise for the coalition to pre-emptively exclude any members from anywhere. I still have hope Reitzmag may come about and work for peace in the region.
Cllr Hetty Tilki
Empire of Inimicus -
Your honor Coun. Tilki, we will be waiting for a decision from Prime Minister Bridges and I can see that there is a high chance he will let our armed forces to join the coalition as we have already done a lot of work on the area. I though condemn the establishment of a no-fly zone between countries that have not even begun operations in the area. We cannot proceed with more of our mission if such is permitted.
Gen. Sir Mark Carleton-Smith
Chief of Staff, Royal Army -
Colleagues, I am very saddened about Amendment II of Coun. Falk. The role of my country's armed forces will be very important in the coalition. As they have been the ones who have engaged in a full combat with guerilla forces, they have the knowledge on how these forces could treat the coalition that we are planning to form. I thank Coun. Tilki for being against the second amendment as I do also believe that it would be very unwise to exclude us from the coalition. So I ask my other dear colleagues to vote against Amendment II.
Finally, I'd like to ask for a short debate extension so we can plan properly how we will face this situation.
Friedrich van Allen
Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag -
"Mr Speaker, I would like to suggest we do not extend this debate any further. The people of Northern Haane are suffering like no other people has in this Union of late, and the European Council cannot be seen as bickering over who is allowed to take part in a relief effort and who is not. I trust you will make your ruling on this in good faith, as you always do, but I suggest we move to a vote on the amendments and the motion as soon as possible"
Cllr Hetty Tilki
Empire of Inimicus -
Well, first of all I would like to thank Councillor Falk for submitting these amendments which would make the Motion to look better, but as I said, we can't let anyone out on this because we need as much help as possible, and the European Union shall co-operate and unite into one for these days of unknown happenings and situations. We are going to a dark room no one has seen before, and we won't know how will we exit it, we just know the way we are entering the room. We don't know the dangers that await for us, and closing the doors for other nations is just not the thing Haaneans need.
But this also remembers me of the really bad moves made by the Reitzmic Army, and that involves you Gen. Carleton-Smith. Your army arrived in Eastern Haane with no intention but to solve a conflict by itself, without any European help nor of your usual allies. You called the Commonwealth of Leagio to help with refugees on a move that you did know it would make them appear. Now, we have European flags dislayed in your bases with no permission and no rectification from your part, poissoned soldiers from Reitzmag, a horrendus thing I'm condenming and a complaint because of the no-fly zone that will be established to help the European Union on preventing more countries to get involved with no invitation.
Also, saying "I do not think that diplomacy is still a solution to be considered in solving this problem." it's not the way to solve the things. There was an agreement and it was accomplished, the European Union and this Commissioner has done much more of what we could have done. And it hurts to recognise this but we all knew the Eastern Haane's agreement wasn't lasting for long: Unstable country, undemocratic government, it had everything to get things worse, and it happened. When this intervention ends, I think Reitzmag might need to step back as you don't trust in diplomacy.
I would like to mention Councillor Plessis to thank him and allow him to thank on my behalf President Lifejumper and all the Leagioans. The Internal Affairs Commission is really proud of the acceptance of refugees and the huge effort you are making. We are also thanking all the countries that will be accepting refugees. We are ready to face a refugees' crisis like the one we faced a long ago in Drommund Kaas.
From the European Commission, specially the Internal Affairs Commission which is the part I can talk on behalf of, we will be working really close to the coalition commander, helping him on reports and attending the Council with him on every session. Once Eastern Haane is safe for the European Relief Force, I will submit a motion to deploy them in Eastern Haane as soon as possible. And I hope that, if the chosen coalition commander is hearing us right now, he accepts my co-operation offer.
Ladies and gentlemen, all I have left to do is wish you lots of luck. We, the European Commissioners, the Coalition Comander, the European Councillors and our armies will need lots of prayers during the weeks to come. I trust on the deployment of the ERF in 2 weeks, and I hope less. But I'm once again calling for co-operation, unity, solidarity and empathy with those affected by this conflict. These days are hard for them, let's all try not to make them harder. Thank you very much, and may God assist us on the next weeks.
Jean-Claude Juncker
Internal Affairs Commissioner -
Mr Speaker, I would like to suggest we do not extend this debate any further.
Let's vote.
Emma Granger
Councillor of Montenbourg -
Mr Speaker, I ask you to not extend this debate. Thank you.
Mrs. Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare
EU Councilor for the Republic of Nofoaga -
I am sorry to say Councilors Granger and Muzhare that the Speaker is not able to do that as the words of the Consitution of the EU prevent him from doing that even if he wanted to. To do that, we would have to amend the constitution, which I will present a proposal for that when this motion passes. If he did so without it being amended, he would be breaking Constitutional Law and face impeachment. For example, let me cite this from the Constitution in section 4 clause 2, "The Speaker may extend Council proceedings if deemed suitable, however, no phase of the legislative process may be shortened and this power cannot be delegated." The Speaker can only extend debates not shorten them. So, unfortunately, we must go through the full process through the required time.
Francis Plessis
EU Councilor for Leagio -
Councillor Plessis, I don't believe our colleagues are asking me to shorten the debate, which I never would. They're asking me to not grant a debate extension, which Councillor Van Allen has asked for.
Since four of our colleagues have asked to not extend the debate, I shall rule with the democratic majority here. Besides, I think they have a point, considering that an intervention is likely needed as fast as possible. We still have almost a full 24 hours of debate, which is also enough time for any councillor to propose any further amendments.
I have to say, I am very against the deployment of the ERF until the country has been deemed safe. The ERF is not a fighting force. It's a peacekeeping force, mostly with the intention and purpose of carrying out humanitarian activities. The ERF will probably need to deployed eventually, to help maintain peace and channel humanitarian aid to the country, but that time will likely only come in the later future. For now, the intervention will have to be more security-oriented in nature, since I strongly suspect that the Haaneans will not take to foreign intervention kindly, especially after the Kingdom of Reitzmag engaged in battle with them.
I support Councillor Falk's amendments, particularly Amendment II, which is actually unfortunate. Reitzmic involvement in the country has likely stained all perception of foreign intervention, and the flying of EU flags had made the EU look like it supports imperialism and war crimes, which is very regrettable. Since I suspect the people of Eastern Haane have no faith or trust in the Reitzmen who have engaged them in combat, and have caused much unneeded bloodshed, it's best that they do not be involved with any future coalition in the country.
Edward Firoux
Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista -
Dearly esteemed members of the European Council, as of now we have another report of an attempt against us. During a distribution of relief packs in our Republic Assistance Base, a woman approached Atty. Winston and chattered with him. One of our troops tried to end the conversation but then the woman unleashed a hammer and tried to smash Atty. Winston's head. Atty. Winston is safe while the soldier was hit, though he is currently recovering from the incident. Our Army tackled the woman and put her inside one of our trucks to avoid more incidents like that.
Honorable councilors and commissioners, I do not think that it is safe to say that military can't be used to neutralize the conflict. Currently, the lady is under our custody and will remain inside the truck with all her necessities and will be counted as a refugee.
This afternoon, we have also identified the location of the guerilla rebels through our satellites and drones. We have sent goods which include food, water, and clothes via air drop through our helicopters. The goods of course, were inspected by doctors to ensure that the Haaneans will remain safe despite what these guerilla forces did to my men. We are also looking forward to force the remaining Haaneans to form a democratic government under a democratic process. That is all I can report this council for now.
Gen. Sir Mark Carleton-Smith
Chief of Staff, Royal Army -
Gen. Carleton-Smith, you really seem not to care about what the Internal Affairs Commissioner said and we are still waiting for a rectification about the European flags. The Kingdom of Spain doesn't support imperialism and war crimes, what your country is doing at the moment as we are seeing in Kiel. You can't deny the fact, the truth. Are you going to rectificate on the European Union flags? Can we trust on your words?
I absolutely condemn what happened to Atty. Winston, the poisson of your soldiers and blablabla. But I also condemn, and I think all the Council does, your imperialism and war crimes all around Eastern Haane. You have gone there for a simple reason, and that was killing innocents and getting a puppet, relevance by killing hundreds of innocents. And now you want to lead the operation? I would be embarrased if I would be you, Gen. Carleton-Smith.
Gentleman, I hope Reitzmag, for the sake of stability and regulations follow this intervention motion and does not act independently to the European Union and moreover, doesn't break the No fly zone the 4 Assembled Powers are setting up on Sunday. And I hope you can give some answers or at least, don't ignore this council which is what you have been doing since you arrived here. Thank you very much.
Donald D. Tusk
Councillor for Spain -
Fellow Cllrs. I echo the sentiments of Speaker Firoux as the reasons to support amendment 2. If the mission of nations like Reitzmag is truly humanitarian, then they should have no qualms as to taking themselves out of military actions in any intervention. There have been hundreds of Reitzmic causalities, at least those publicly acknowledged. Amendment 2 will go far to show the local people of Eastern Haane we will not universally forgive actions that may have forsaken the European principals we stand for.
I hope the various Councillors reconsider this, and support the second amendment I proposed.
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I would like to bring up the recent statement made by the leader of one of Eastern Haane's guerilla forces, in which it is said that "Reitzmic forces have set up a totalitarian state apparatus," and that "they know and see everything." While I in no way trust this man, who has spearheaded a number of atrocities against Reitzmic forces, we must at the very least consider that what he is saying is true. If so, then it appears that Reitzmag has gained total and near permanent control over the area.
As a result, while I do fully support the second amendment as a result of the antipathy that the Haaneans have for the Reitzmic forces, I also caution the nations to take part in this coalition. If this statement is true, Reitzmag will refuse to move, and will be difficult to remove forcefully without mass casualty.
However, a removal must certainly be made if no voluntary action is made. Even without this statement, all evidence from the area points to an occupation.
Eugen Freund
Councillor for the Federal Republic of Austria
The Kingdom of Spain