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    Amendment to the Condemnation of the Coup in Icholasen

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    • Vayinaod
      Vayinaod EU last edited by

      Much like earlier proposals I stand against this proposal on principal.

      The Archrepublic currently enforces a large assortment of various embargoes against the UNSR, but wishes to not force upon any foreign policy directives to various EU members outside of ones that specifically and directly pertain to peace and security. This is why the original condemnation I drafted specifically outlined military trade agreements, and luxury goods which can be used as laundering devices on the black market and really only impacted the leadership of the UNSR.

      I would in general support an amendment first to the condemnation fixing and clarifying some technicalities before we delve into a much more hotly debated topic of whether the EU should require member-states to submit more embargoes.

      The European Union should also not make massive foreign policy changes and force them upon member-states, it should be up to the member-states to decide which side to take, history will be the judgement upon them for their actions. The principals of the idea of sovereign nations demand this, without it the EU has taken a massive step towards complete Eurofederalism, and it is not a direction the Archrepublic will support.

      Cllr. Firoux seems very intent on poking a beast which has in general remained content in its own space provided it was left alone, for example the Kingdom of Reitzmag proded the beast with their illegal military sales agreement, and nearly lost a few fingers so the speak. Then again it is not Inquista at risk here is it? Its the variety of nations in directly invested interests in Icholasen, namely Fremet, Ruthund, and Montenbourg who are. Not to mention the thousands of Vardic uniformed service members in Fremet and its waters to protect our ally. Cllr. Firoux seems to playing a game of trying to force the UNSR into a cornered state and benefitting from the aftermath, while notably not risking anything.

      I shouldn't have to mention why Icholasen should not be granted its nuclear license again under the current circumstances, but here we are. One of the definitions of a state which is granted nuclear weapons is stability, and the ability to control the assets. While legally the UNSR has no land, and is not recognized, the literal situation is that it does by virtue of commiting a coup against the legitimate government. Until the legitimate government is in a place to control those weapons again it should not be granted a license. Especially a government who that is no longer of a position of power may be exploited by powers who are 'helping' them. I would prefer it if Copala city did not have nuclear silos hidden around it, nor be in a position that the Kingdom of Reitzmag may seek to influence those weapons.

      Since apparently it seems I tend to 'destroy' Cllr. Van Allen's own proposals with amendments that 'poison' them, I will refrain from any amendments this session, and will not vote for the final version unless it is drastically altered to be an amendment to the technicalities of the condemnation and situation without major policy changes.

      Cllr. Carita Falk
      Archrepublic of Vayinaod

      Arch-Konsul: Kristian Nylund (Greens)
      Ruling Coalition: Greens, Moderates
      EU Councillor : Carita Falk (Greens-Independent)

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      • Kingdom of Reitzmag
        Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by

        Colleagues, I have a clear standpoint. ECoJ bad, UNSR bad, Icholasen good. Simple, I have no more to say for now.

        Friedrich van Allen
        Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag

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        HM King George
        Monarch

        Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
        Prime Minister

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        • Kingdom of Reitzmag
          Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by

          I'd like to request for a debate extension on this matter.

          Friedrich van Allen
          Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag

          alt text

          HM King George
          Monarch

          Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
          Prime Minister

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          • Inquista
            Inquista last edited by

            Councillor Van Allen, you just stated that you "have no more to say for now", but then you've gone on to request for a debate extension literally right after? I will grant you a debate extension of 24 hours, so that you can hopefully give us more great takes like "ECoJ bad, UNSR bad, Icholasen good".

            Debate will be extended until 08:45 GMT on October 26th, 2020.

            Edward Firoux
            Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

            siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
            Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
            Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
            Councillor Karinn Lallana

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            • Spain
              Spain last edited by Spain

              Tusk laughed with discrection while the Speaker granted the debate extension as he couldn't believe what Councillor van Allen had just said. When the Speaker ended, and he has had enough fun, he decided to stand up and speak:

              Well, ladies and gentlemen, especially the Nicoleizian Councillor who I consider a close friend like many other Councillors in this room, we have got it. It seems that the European Court of Justice is bad for Reitzmag, because they made a sentence against them. What a smart move! Councillor van Allen, if it had been the opposite, I'm sure you'll come here saying: "I love the ECoJ, it's the best court of Europe, with the best justices!" And how hypocrite that you say the UNSR it's bad, when your nation made business with them, also proposing an amendment to a Condemnation that made the ECoJ state that sentence and you still say it's unfair. Don't you see that you are not right on these statements calling the ECoJ "unfair"? Please, Councillor van Allen, for the sanity of this Council and just to avoid more sessions where you say the ECoJ is unfair with Reitzmag, read the unamended Condemnation, that you shall have read, and think about it. Let's see if your reading comprehension works.

              Donald D. Tusk
              Councillor for Spain

              The Kingdom of Spain
              His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
              President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
              Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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              • Inquista
                Inquista last edited by

                Debate has now closed. There are 3 amendments, all proposed by myself:

                Amendment I
                Section 1

                1. The European Union and its member-states shall only recognize the democratically elected government of the United Dominions of Icholasen under Queen Anastasia II and Prime Minister Korojaunu Eilidh Whiteford as the legitimate government of Icholasen.

                The wording of Section 1, Clause 2 is somewhat open-ended. For instance the statement that the EU will not support "any illegitimate government other than the democratically elected government of the United Dominions of Icholasen" is quite broad, and it could mean any illegitimate government anywhere in the EU. Thus, my second amendment:

                Amendment II
                Section 1
                2. The European Union and its member-states shall officially condemn the illegitimate regime known as actions by the cabal of military officers of the Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics, and will not support their any illegitimate government of Icholasen known as the United Nicoleizian Socialist Republics in any capacity. other than the democratically elected government of the United Dominions of Icholasen.

                My only other comment is that Icholasen shouldn't have had its ENAA license revoked, even temporarily, in the original condemnation. Any nukes possessed by an illegitimate government would not be handed over to the European Union anyway, and Icholasen should be able to defend itself, and so the whole matter regarding their ENAA license should just be removed in my opinion. Thus, I propose this third amendment:

                Amendment III
                Section 2
                2. The ENAA license for limited nuclear warheads is hereby revoked until such time as the legitimate government of Icholasen holds proper authority and stability over its nation. There will be a one month period to turn over the nuclear weapons and shut down of all nuclear weapons production.

                Voting on amendments begins NOW and will last until 05:45 GMT on October 30th, 2020.


                I vote FOR ALL amendments.

                Edward Firoux
                Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

                siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
                Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
                Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
                Councillor Karinn Lallana

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                • Fremet
                  Fremet EU last edited by

                  I vote FOR all amendments.

                  Charles Michel
                  Councilor for the Kingdom of Fremet

                  Statsminister Erna Solberg
                  EU Cllr Charles Michel
                  #FortressFremet

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                  • Spain
                    Spain last edited by

                    I vote FOR all amendments.

                    Donald D. Tusk
                    Councillor for Spain

                    The Kingdom of Spain
                    His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                    President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                    Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                    • P
                      Pravoslaviya EU last edited by

                      On behalf of the Kingdom of Pravoslaviya, I vote AGAINST all amendments.

                      Cllr Tupac Shakur

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                      • M
                        Montenbourg EU last edited by

                        I vote FOR all amendments.

                        Emma Granger
                        Councillor for Montenbourg

                        🇩🇰 The Kingdom of Montenbourg
                        👑HM Victoria the First, Queen of Montenbourg
                        🏛️PM Rt. Hon. Birgitte Nyborg
                        🌟 Councillor Emma Granger.

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                        • Fayrrendel
                          Fayrrendel EU last edited by

                          On behalf of the Realm of Great Ruthund, I vote AGAINST Amendments I and II and ABSTAIN from Amendment III.

                          Vintufrida Luzrogizen
                          Acting EU Councillor, Ruthund

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                          • ?
                            A Former User last edited by

                            On behalf of the Federal Republic of Austria, I vote AGAINST amendments I and II, and FOR Amendment III.

                            Eugen Freund
                            Councillor for the Federal Republic of Austria

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                            • Duxburian Union
                              Duxburian Union EU last edited by

                              On behalf of the Union of Duxburian Dominions, I vote AGAINST Amendments I and II and FOR Amendment III.

                              Wesley Greene
                              Councillor of the Duxburian Union

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                              • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                                Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by

                                I vote FOR all amendments.

                                Friedrich van Allen
                                Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag

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                                HM King George
                                Monarch

                                Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                                Prime Minister

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                                • Vayinaod
                                  Vayinaod EU last edited by

                                  On behalf of the Archrepublic of Vayinaod, I vote AGAINST all amendments.

                                  Cllr Carita Falk

                                  Arch-Konsul: Kristian Nylund (Greens)
                                  Ruling Coalition: Greens, Moderates
                                  EU Councillor : Carita Falk (Greens-Independent)

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                                  • Nofoaga
                                    Nofoaga EU last edited by

                                    On behalf of the Republic of Nofoaga, I vote FOR all amendments.

                                    Mrs. Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare
                                    EU Councilor for the Republic of Nofoaga

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                                    • A
                                      Alkharya EU last edited by

                                      On behalf of Alkharya, I vote AGAINST all amendments.

                                      Aylin Gökçen
                                      Councillor for Alkharya

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                                      • Leagio
                                        Leagio ECoJ last edited by

                                        On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote FOR All Amendments.

                                        Francis Plessis
                                        EU Councilor for Leagio

                                        President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
                                        Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
                                        EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

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                                        • Inquista
                                          Inquista last edited by Inquista

                                          With 7 votes for and 6 votes against, Amendment I and II have been REJECTED. With 9 votes for and 3 votes against, Amendment III has been PASSED.

                                          The legislation has been updated to reflect the passed amendments. Final voting begins NOW and will last until 06:30 GMT on November 2nd, 2020.

                                          On behalf of the Most Blessed State of Inquista, I vote FOR this amendment.

                                          Edward Firoux
                                          Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

                                          siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
                                          Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
                                          Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
                                          Councillor Karinn Lallana

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                                          • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                                            Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by

                                            On behalf of the Kingdom of Reitzmag, I vote FOR this Amendment.

                                            Friedrich van Allen
                                            Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag

                                            alt text

                                            HM King George
                                            Monarch

                                            Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                                            Prime Minister

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