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    European Green Car Retrofit Act

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    • BrumBrum
      BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by

      You say conversion is expensive but there are firms who can convert cars to bio-fuels including bio-gas , hybrid and electric propulsion for as little as a few thousand Euros. I would like to know where you can buy or lease a new car for less than this. By offering a grant to existing car owners to convert their cars to green propulsion systems they will save money, save the environment by reducing the carbon emissions related to production of new cars and help speed up the transition to green energy in the EU of which motor transport is a key part of. Cars are not going away so we can at least make the existing fleet greener and conversion is one of the cheapest and most environmentally ways of achieving this while reducing production emissions also. If you can point to a cheaper new electric or any car of any green propulsion method less than 4,000 Euros then please do so as it would be a miracle.

      James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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      • Istkalen
        Istkalen EU last edited by

        Car conversion imposes both the cost of conversion itself as well as of time. There are very good reasons as to why very few people find it appealing. A subsidy would be slightly more appealing to me as a part of a broader grant scheme for a green transition, including grants for the purchase of electric and hydrogen cars, but to amend this act into something along those lines would require a complete rewrite.

        Iras Tilkanas
        Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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        • BrumBrum
          BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by BrumBrum

          I would be willing to put an amendment in for that purpose and amend it to allow a choice but the truth is conversion will always be cheaper than a new car. If one cannot afford to put 4,000 Euros towards a conversion for Electric or hydrogen then how could they afford 10-20,000 euros or more to buy a brand new election car? And you mention time the garage can lend cars as part of the cost of the package which many do in the United Duchies already and I can put it in the bill that a temporary car must be provided. I will therefore propose the following amendment to adress the minor issues raised:
          European Green Car Retrofit and Replacement Act
          Article 1
          I. A scheme for grants for retrofit of cars to bio-fuel, biofuel hybrid,Electric and Hydrogen power systems shall be set up.
          II. Each European Union car owner resident in an EU state shall be eligible for one grant of 4,000 Euros to retrofit their car or put towards a new environmentally friendly net zero or near net zero-emissions car in return for giving up the old car which will either be scrapped or converted to greener methods of propulsion and sold on.
          III. A minimum of 2,000,000 4,000 Euros grants allocated to each nation based on their percentage of the population shall be granted per year.This shall be increased with in line with inflation until 2040.
          IV. Nations shall allocate an agency to manage to the grant
          V. The grant must be used with a safety accredited firm licensed by the member state the person is resident in to carry out a conversion.
          VI. Memberstates may offer additional grants on the scheme domestically by topping up the grant scheme with extra funding allowing the state to offer higher grants or more grants if they desire.
          VII. All car conversions must meet the national safety standards of the nation and be compatible in case of electric conversion with the national charging standard of the country.
          VIII. The scheme shall run until 2040
          IX. Companies must for the duration of the conversion provide a temporary car for the customer

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          • BrumBrum
            BrumBrum Commission @BrumBrum last edited by

            I propose the 2nd amendment to this act.
            X. There will be a fund established within the EDA to fund the appropiate level of renewable and green energy including Nuclear if a state wishes and battery storage to ensure the grid can cope with the level of Electric Car adoption. This shall be determined by experts in the field in the nations and EU officials.

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            • Istkalen
              Istkalen EU last edited by

              Though it is technically legal, I am opposed to attempts to amend unrelated legislation by act, as it is simply bad practice. I also do not want to see this act become an omnibus for climate legislation.

              In spite of my support for Cllr. Mizrachi-Roscoe's first amendment, I am therefore opposed to his second.

              Iras Tilkanas
              Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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              • Istkalen
                Istkalen EU last edited by

                Debate has ended. Two amendments have been proposed, as follows:

                AMENDMENT I

                European Green Car Retrofit and Replacement Act
                Article 1
                I. A scheme for grants for retrofit of cars to bio-fuel, biofuel hybrid,Electric and Hydrogen power systems shall be set up.
                II. Each European Union car owner resident in an EU state shall be eligible for one grant of 4,000 Euros to retrofit their car or put towards a new environmentally friendly net zero or near net zero-emissions car in return for giving up the old car which will either be scrapped or converted to greener methods of propulsion and sold on.
                III. A minimum of 2,000,000 4,000 Euros grants allocated to each nation based on their percentage of the population shall be granted per year.This shall be increased with in line with inflation until 2040.
                IV. Nations shall allocate an agency to manage to the grant
                V. The grant must be used with a safety accredited firm licensed by the member state the person is resident in to carry out a conversion.
                VI. Memberstates may offer additional grants on the scheme domestically by topping up the grant scheme with extra funding allowing the state to offer higher grants or more grants if they desire.
                VII. All car conversions must meet the national safety standards of the nation and be compatible in case of electric conversion with the national charging standard of the country.
                VIII. The scheme shall run until 2040
                IX. Companies must for the duration of the conversion provide a temporary car for the customer


                AMENDMENT II

                X. There will be a fund established within the EDA to fund the appropiate level of renewable and green energy including Nuclear if a state wishes and battery storage to ensure the grid can cope with the level of Electric Car adoption. This shall be determined by experts in the field in the nations and EU officials.


                Voting begins NOW and will continue until 23:59 GMT on 29 June 2023.

                Iras Tilkanas
                Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                • BrumBrum
                  BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by

                  On behalf of United Duchies I vote FOR the amendment
                  James Mizrachi Roscoe , Councillour for United Duchies

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                  • Istkalen
                    Istkalen EU last edited by

                    Two amendments have been proposed, Cllr. Mizrachi-Roscoe; I would therefore like you to clarify whether you are voting in favor of both or not.

                    Iras Tilkanas
                    Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                    • BrumBrum
                      BrumBrum Commission @Istkalen last edited by

                      I vote for both amendments
                      James Mizrachi-Roscoe Councillour for United Duchies

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                      • Istkalen
                        Istkalen EU last edited by

                        Voting will be extended to 23:59 GMT on 2 July 2023.

                        Iras Tilkanas
                        Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                        • Spain
                          Spain last edited by

                          I vote AGAINST both amendments.

                          Donald Tusk
                          Candidate for Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                          The Kingdom of Spain
                          His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                          President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                          Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                          • California
                            California EU last edited by

                            On behalf of the United Kingdom, I vote FOR all amendments.

                            Councillor Ed Miliband

                            The Commonwealth of California
                            Prime Minister Kamala Harris
                            Governor-General Gavin Newsom
                            Councilor Snoop Dogg

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                            • Istkalen
                              Istkalen EU last edited by

                              With two votes for and one against, both amendments have passed. Final voting begins NOW and will continue until 23:59 GMT on 14 July 2023.

                              Iras Tilkanas
                              Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                              • Fayrrendel
                                Fayrrendel EU last edited by

                                On behalf of the Hallowed Wimish Burlawship, I sway FOR this lawbode.

                                Alþ. Bearn Marlowson
                                Redeman for the Hallowed Wimish Burlawship

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                                • Spain
                                  Spain last edited by

                                  On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote AGAINST this act.

                                  Donald Tusk
                                  Candidate for Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                                  The Kingdom of Spain
                                  His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                  President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                  Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                                  • BrumBrum
                                    BrumBrum Commission @Spain last edited by

                                    On behalf of United Duchies I vote FOR this act
                                    James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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                                    • Leagio
                                      Leagio ECoJ last edited by

                                      On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote AGAINST this Act.

                                      Lionel Morel
                                      EU Councilor for Leagio

                                      President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
                                      Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
                                      EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

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                                      • Istkalen
                                        Istkalen EU last edited by

                                        With two votes for and two votes against, this act has failed.

                                        Iras Tilkanas
                                        Council Speaker and Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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