[Discussion] Declaration of Independence and Copala City
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In response to Tusk I in no way believe or imply that Copalas government have promoted violence, quite the contrary they have been against it. I merely meant that Reitzmag should work with Copala Cities government rather than militarily occupying it and suspending autonomy and work with the Copalan government on the roadmap to a referendum if that is what is desired by the Copalans.
James Mizrachi-Roscoe
Councillour for United Duchies -
The position of the Ruthenish State is that the events in Copala City is an internal matter for Reitzmag, so Ruthund takes a neutral stance on this matter for the time being. I will say this though, the behavior of Reitzmag is growing to new concerning levels and it was a highly unfortunate blunder, in my opinion, that New Hampton did not consult the local government before intervention. Albeit, Councillors-- until Copala City actually makes the decision to declare independence, I see it somewhat inappropriate for the Council to use its time to discuss purely internal affairs of a country, when it bears no threat to harm the stability of other member states. As we all know, Copala City remains an autonomous zone of the Kingdom of Reitzmag, and not its own country. Both Copala City, the Kingdom of Reitzmag, and as far as I am aware, the European Union acknowledges that Copala City is NOT a sovereign entity.
To clarify this fact, I turn now to the end of the Copalan First Minister's public statement on the current situation:
I could now declare independence, but I won't. These measures are the ones that I want to be respected and enforced,and I hope that for once, Mr. Bridges the stubborn man listen to "his citizens". If he doesn't grant the first one, I will personally take him, his government and Reitzmag to the European Court of Justice. If he jails me, he will proof my points. It's up to you, Simon Bridges, so listen up:
- Devolution of the Copalan Autonomy.
- Respect for people demonstrating on the streets.
- Retirement of the army.
- Haanean citizens shall cease on their try.
- There will be a curfew and some restrictions which don't include the army.
The Copalan State, the Copalans and myself won't be deterred. Thank you for your attention, and have a nice day.
We can sit here and judge the Reitzmic government all day Councilors over their actions, but I see this as nothing more than virtue signaling-- and I personally don't care for it. Once Copala City actually sees itself as a Sovereign entity, I think there is enough of an argument to have this conversation. Until then Councilors, I feel even having this discussion is begging the question which is improper for a multinational organization to do to its member states.
Tony Odhinazen
EU Councilor, Ruthund -
Councillors, I think we need to retake this discussion, this time focusing on Copala City.
Last night moves made by the Kingdom of Reitzmag are certainly alarming and concerning. After the Copalan Autonomy had been suspended to tackle some sort of incidents in the Copalan district of Bomballey, which by the way was unseful because the Copalan Government tackled the situation without Reitzmag doing a thing; it has never been returned, but they have unilaterally pulled out of the Treaty of Buckingham. For those new to the affair, that Treaty established 2 autonomous areas which were created under the Nyetthem Accords to host refugees and then given another use, as it wanted to protect the Nicoleizians that ran away from their lands because a rogue communist state which, by the way, Reitzmag have negotiated with and was taken to the ECoJ by my country because of that; have illegaly taken the lands. What a coincidence!
Now, the Copalan Autonomy is scratched, the Government, freely elected by Copalans is scratched, the Nicolezian Government offices have had to move away as they can't trust on Reitzmag anymore and now, we have a lot of people aiming for independence trapped in a loophole because of 400 or so old Lords. This couldn't be more retrograde and old. As an European Councillor and Council Deputy Speaker, I'm very supportive of the policy former Commissioner Juncker and now Commissioner Birdane seems to be following: Diplomacy First. I have not seen any single sign of democracy, but a whole series full of backstabs, incompetence to accept a result which is against the central Government policy or not being able to make a proper treaty and making a huge amount of mistakes to force a new negotiation. Also, there are some rumours arounf that say the whole Treaty of Buckingham was set as an idea to get Icholasen's Commission vote and a military alliance. At the same time, Reitzmag was having some affairs with Icholasen's greatest enemy: UNSR.
I would like to receive an answer, and also to bring George Maxwells, the First Minister of Copala City or the Prime Minister, depending what your point of view is; to this discussion, if mostly all Councillors taking part of this discussion agree. I would also like to hear some things from the Nicoleizian Councillor and of course, the Reitzmic Councillor. Thank you.
Donald Tusk
Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain -
(delivered to the Council from the hospital through video call)
Your accusations Mr. Tusk are blatantly false. You are acting for the European Union to intrude Reitzmic sovereignty. It is simple, the representatives of the people have spoken and we cannot do anything to change their decision. They decided to pull out of a treaty, so let them be. The autonomous areas were not created by the Nyetthem Accords, only Copala City was created autonomous by the said treaty. But even then, the elections were said to have been manipulated by alien voters who moved to Copala City from countries aside from Icholasen just to rig the electoral process and implement a separatist policy. Recently, my team have polled Reitzmic refugees living in Copala City that make up more than 50% of the voter population during the elections. According to the data we got, nearly all of them did not vote for the CIU and other separatist parties but it is surprising that they still won as an autonomous government. The Copalan Autonomy would be reshaped following this repeal and would be returned in a much more organized way in which their voices would be much more properly heard. I do not see any more need to conduct this discussion, but I believe we should discuss instead the aggressive foreign policies of some European Nations following the recent repeal that is under the full jurisdiction and discretion of the Reitzmic sovereignty.
Friedrich van Allen
Interim Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag -
Cllr. van Allen, nice to see you on that... weird screen; anyway it seems the Hospital isn't treating you very well as you are saying some things which aren't true, maybe a lot of medication has been given to you? Whatever, the "accusations", like you call it, even if they are facts, aren't blatantly false, but we will get to that in a minute. I'm not acting for the European Union to intrude Reitzmic sovereignty, I'm just retaking a discussion, something I can do since I'm a freely elected Councillor. Still, I know your trauma with the sovereignty everytime we discuss about your country, so maybe we could call the psycologist for you to start that treatment.
The Autonomous Areas were created through the Air Marshall Plan, in the Nyetthem Accords. Moreover, the plans are simple: "New Moreland shall be recognized as a special and autonomous Reich within Reitzmag, and it will also be recognized as a holy Reich for Inquistan Orthodox citizens within the country." Maybe the medication you have been given doesn't let you remember that, but don't worry, we are here for it! Maybe the medication also made you say the elections were rigged, because according to official stats and not your stats which I don't believe after those imperialist and authoritarian attitudes shown by Mr. Bridges and his 'gang'. These stats made by your team are not correct, you just need to look at the Copalan Government official stats: "35% Nicoleizian, 30% Inquistan Orthodox / Reitzmic, 20% Reitzmic, 15% others". And also, it is very concerning to me and to many countries on the European Union, the house of democracy, equality and 21st Century values to hear the following words, and as the Deputy Speaker, I feel ashamed of them, so please Councillors, listen up to these words if you haven't before: "The Copalan Autonomy would be reshaped following this repeal and would be returned in a much more organized way in which their voices would be much more properly heard."
Of course, 'their voices' mean the Reitzmic voices, a 20% of the total population of Copala City in 2020. This is simple uncceptable, nor democratic. How can a country consider itself a democracy when its Councillor says these words in the house of the Europeans? I'm worried, really worried about these words being said here and I hope to hear a rectification from you, Mr. van Allen; if you can't because your medication doesn't allow you then I invite you to bring your Deputy Councillor here, would work better than seeing you in an hospital's pijama. Finally, Reitzmic sovereignty isn't being violated, because nobody is interfering in an election process, nobody is invading your country and many more things that aren't happening. Please, stop this victimising and have a nice recovery.
Donald Tusk
Deputy Speaker, Councillor for Spain -
Today, it is imperative to end this hysteria, to refute the rhetoric of the Reitzmag imperialistic notions and rearrangement of Copalan voices to their own benefit and to accept the obvious fact: Copala City is an independent, active participant in international affairs. Like other countries, it has its own national interests that need to be taken into account and respected.
Emma Granger
Councillor for Montenbourg -
@Spain , granting your request, George Maxwells may join this Council discussion to deliver a prepared statement and take questions from Councilors.
Charles Michel
Council Speaker -
((OOC: Following discussions, I'd like to clarify that the demographics of Copala City are within the following bounds:
Inquistan Orthodox Reitzmics 30%-40%
Nicoleizians 30%-35%
Non-Inquistan Orthodox Reitzmics 15%-20%
Others 15%I'm prepared to allow a little bit of leeway / differing opinions within these bounds, which is realistic given that Copala City's entire population has only been there for like a year. But please respect those bounds. Also note that this might not necessarily translate into the demographics of the October electorate due to differential turnout.
There is no admin ruling, nor will there be, on whether the election was free or rigged. Characters can argue either way, and characters can believe what they want.))
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I believe that you're discriminating and separating Reitzmics through their religion. We polled all Reitzmics regardless of their religion in the recent survey Mr. Tusk. Therefore, this is evidence that something wrong happened in the elections that showed a different result. Looking at the data, plus the true demographics of Copala City, there is a very slim chance that the Separatist movements won a majority. And thus, I think that the review that will happen during the transition period would be helpful in restoring true democracy in Copala City. Other than this, I believe that we in the EU must not meddle with our member-states' Internal Affairs.
And for your knowledge, I'm already recovering Mr. Tusk, so no need to worry.
Friedrich van Allen
Interim Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag -
Nobody is discriminating Councillor Van Allen, your country is not-standing by the compromises signed by your leaders. The most recent public opinion think that the Union should protect the interests of Copalians and members of other ethnic groups living in Copala City.
People support Copalians plea. History should teach every authoritarian that they don’t last forever, because rhetorical greatness cannot pay the bills. Your people are censoring the legitimate interest of Copalians. Copala City is the common historical legacy of Nicolezians, Inquistans and yes Reitzmics; and a very important factor in regional stability. Again as said by the Deputy Speaker Reitzmic sovereignty isn't being violated, because nobody is interfering in an election process, but we see what is the intent here. Is not democratic.
Emma Granger
Councillor for Montenbourg
The Kingdom of Spain
