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    Union Protection Act II

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    • Inimicus
      Inimicus EU last edited by

      The Empire of Inimicus continues to stand against any attempt to regulate labour union policies from a European level. The Imperial Government cannot imagine a version of this Act that it could support at present.

      Cllr Nicholas Benfield
      Empire of Inimicus

      The Empire of Inimicus
      Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
      Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
      Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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      • M
        Montenbourg EU last edited by

        The trade unions collective bargaining policy must safeguard the working conditions of all workers who are competing with each other on the labour market in their respective countries.

        We should encourage an active participation of this guilds but not globally legislate based on a different reality. One because the collective agreement is and should be signed at a level which covers all the relevant employees in that zone or country; and second, several collective agreements may be signed at a lower level and coordinated so as to enable an equivalent settlement of working conditions for all the employees concerned.

        The nature of a union is not to be enforced but to naturally coexist under the responsibility of the states. Let's work for common legislation on workplace conditions, healthcare and even finding common ground on a minimun wage (but first we need the European Central Bank functioning, to see inflation, monetary and fiscal policies).

        Emma Granger
        Councillor of Montenbourg

        馃嚛馃嚢 The Kingdom of Montenbourg
        馃憫HM Victoria the First, Queen of Montenbourg
        馃彌锔廝M Rt. Hon. Birgitte Nyborg
        馃専 Councillor Emma Granger.

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        • Istkalen
          Istkalen EU last edited by

          I am not attempting to force collective bargaining on a European level; I am simply trying to ensure that workers have the right to form independent unions which are able to engage in the functions that unions, in a functioning democracy, are able to engage in. It isn't a matter of regulating union policy, it is a matter of human rights. If this Council is willing to pass legislation on forced movement, freedom of expression, and even marriage equality, why is it unwilling to pass legislation regarding the protection of that organization which was responsible for the winning of many rights, political, civil, and labor, the labor union?

          Secondly, to address a second concern of Councillor Granger, I am also indeed trying to resurrect the European Central Bank - I have already begun a discussion on a solution to the issue, and have also, from the (scant) conclusions derived from this, proposed an actual amendment.

          Iras Tilkanas
          Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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          • Spain
            Spain last edited by

            Debate on this shall CONTINUE until 22:09 GMT on September 24th, 2021.

            Donald Tusk
            Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

            The Kingdom of Spain
            His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
            President Alberto N煤帽ez-Feij贸o
            Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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            • BrumBrum
              BrumBrum Commission last edited by BrumBrum

              I have to vehemently disagree the EU has no role on standards in protecting basic rights. Right to unionisation of some type is a basic right and employees should never be penalised for seeking to unionise. I get euroscepticism over introducing new powers but this protection of basic labour rights is essential .

              James Mizrachi-Roscoe councillour for United Duchies

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              • Inquista
                Inquista last edited by

                I cannot thank Comrade Tilkanas enough for proposing this incredibly important and vital piece of legislation, as well as for their ongoing perseverance in ensuring that the finest version of this Act is passed so that the workers of Europe are best protected and emancipated. It is absolutely imperative that workers have legally-encoded rights to their own unions and bargaining power. While this Act may require further amendments, I see no reason why it should be defeated, and I hope that it is eventually passed.

                I only have three recommendations to improve this piece of legislation.

                Firstly, the right to recourse mentioned in Section II Clause VII probably needs a corresponding definition in the definitions section. The term 'recourse' can mean various things, specifically when talking about the right to recourse in legalese terms, and so it opens up that specific clause to a lot of open-ended interpretation. A short yet precise definition could remedy this.

                Secondly, Section II Clause IV is incredibly open-ended, and essentially insinuates that labour unions should be free of absolutely all outside interference, which would also include the state and the state's own laws concerning labour unions and union codes. While I wholeheartedly support the autonomy of unions, I think it is reasonable that the state might have labour codes which pertain to the governance and administration of unions, such as a gender quotas for boards - just as an example. This specific clause also clashes with other clauses in the Act, most notably Section III Clause III. Section III Clause III is basically the same version of this clause, but respects national law. Since Section III Clause III exists anyway, and is a better version of this clause, I think Section II Clause IV is basically superfluous and should be removed or be amended to be more congruent.

                Thirdly, Section II Clause VI and Section III VII are carbon copies of each other. Having them both is superfluous. The one in Section III should probably be removed.

                With these comments in mind, I wholeheartedly give this Act my approval.

                Bp. Karinn Lallana
                Councillor for Inquista

                siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
                Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
                Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
                Councillor Karinn Lallana

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                • C
                  Czech Slavia EU last edited by

                  I wholeheartedly support the noble effort of Councillor Tilkanas to enshrine basic rights of the Labour Unions and therefore the workers themselves into the European law. It is a much needed step towards a just Europe.

                  Just as Councillor Lellana I think that Section II Clause IV should be however changed. Let us also not forget about Labour Unions that might be organized by political parties. Unless we aim to effectively forbid political parties from forming their own labour unions, which I don't think should be the aim, the text needs to be changed, as the affairs of the political party, for instance planning a demonstration in which the party organized union should take place, could be interpreted as either direct or indirect interference.

                  In all other other points raised by Councillor Lallana I also back her. And like her I am ready to support this Act.

                  V谩clav Kohout
                  Councillor for Czech Slavia

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                  • Spain
                    Spain last edited by

                    Thank you Councillor Tilkanas for your proposal.

                    This act is quite better when it comes to the first proposal, but to my point of view it's still not needed. In my opinion, there are some things that under my point of view should be met by "key proposals", like this, to be supported by me. There's one I would really like to remark: "key legislation should have as much support as possible, but should avoid creating conflicts between the European Union and member states". Of course, if we talk about minor legislation, this is something that can be overseen, but not when we talk about Labour Unions.

                    I still think this act needs some amending and I'm waiting to see what is going to happen with the amendments' ideas from the Councillor for Inquista, Bp. Karinn Lallana; but this is once again supported by just the 3 Party of the European Left tenors and I think my colleague Ms. Granger; while it also has a huge (2) part of the Council, as it stands, against it. So we should be careful about what we let pass because seeing the cohesion the Union has at the moment, none, if we don't want the Union to definitely break up in several pieces and become a mess.

                    Now, onto the legislation purpose, I really think Labour Unions play a very important and relevant role on a country by defending workers. We are lucky, in fact, that many of our countries have labour unions, and we should commend those countries that are investing their efforts on protecting them. But maybe, assuring them at an European level while create more problems than solutions. If this act ends up having a very considerable support, I will support it if amended because I agree with it. But if the things remain as they are, I need to be responsible with the European Union's spirit which is unity in diversity and vote against it.

                    Thank you very much.

                    Donald Tusk
                    Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                    The Kingdom of Spain
                    His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                    President Alberto N煤帽ez-Feij贸o
                    Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                    • Istkalen
                      Istkalen EU last edited by

                      I have no idea what you are trying to say, Councillor Tusk, except that you will oppose this act if Councillors do not vote for it and support it if they do, which is not something I, nor anyone else, in this chamber can rectify. If this is a violation of sovereignty, and, for example, marriage equality, which is of course of similar importance and necessity, is not, then I have no idea what sovereignty is anymore. Could you please, at the very least, elaborate on what exactly you mean so that I can address this problem?

                      In response to the issues raised by Councillors Lallana and Kohout, I propose the following amendments:

                      AMENDMENT I

                      IV. Labor unions shall be free of acts of interference by outside actors. In all cases, regardless of ownership, they shall be self-governed. Attempts to subjugate labor unions to an employer, employers, or employers' organization(s) by interfering in their internal administration and activities whether direct or indirect and through any means, are considered acts of interference and are thus prohibited, although acts of interference are not limited to these.

                      AMENDMENT II

                      I. Definitions

                      I. Labor union - an organization of workers who have come together to further and/or defend their interests.

                      II. Cartel - a group of independent participants in the economy who collude as to improve profits and/or establish a monopoly

                      III. Strike - a mass refusal of employees to work, most often a result of grievances.

                      IV. RIght to recourse - the ability of a party in a given conflict to contact and utilize a third party for the purpose of intevention in the conflict.

                      I don't feel as though I can address Councillor Lallana's third point, however, as the two sections outline slightly different things, meaning that the exception made could in itself have exceptions.

                      Iras Tilkanas
                      COuncillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                      • Spain
                        Spain last edited by

                        Debate is now over. Once again, sorry for the severe delays the Council is suffering at the moment. It is time to vote on amendments. There are TWO amendments, both of them proposed by Councillor Tilkanas. The amendments are thus:

                        Amendment I - Proposed by Cllr. Tilkanas

                        Section II - Rights

                        IV. Labor unions shall be free of acts of interference by outside actors. In all cases, regardless of ownership, they shall be self-governed. Attempts to subjugate labor unions to an employer, employers, or employers' organization(s) by interfering in their internal administration and activities whether direct or indirect and through any means, are considered acts of interference and are thus prohibited, although acts of interference are not limited to these.

                        Amendment II - Proposed by Cllr. Tilkanas

                        Section I - Definitions

                        IV. RIght to recourse - the ability of a party in a given conflict to contact and utilize a third party for the purpose of intevention in the conflict.


                        Voting on amendments will commence NOW and will last until 22:56 GMT on October 4th, 2021.


                        I vote FOR both amendments.

                        Donald Tusk
                        Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                        The Kingdom of Spain
                        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                        President Alberto N煤帽ez-Feij贸o
                        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                        • Inquista
                          Inquista last edited by

                          I vote FOR both amendments.

                          Bp. Karinn Lallana
                          Councillor for Inquista

                          siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
                          Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
                          Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
                          Councillor Karinn Lallana

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                          • Nofoaga
                            Nofoaga EU last edited by

                            I vote FOR both amendments.

                            Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare
                            EU-Councillor for the Republic of Nofoaga

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                            • C
                              Czech Slavia EU last edited by

                              I vote FOR both amendments.

                              V谩clav Kohout
                              Councillor for Czech Slavia

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                              • Spain
                                Spain last edited by

                                Voting on amendments has concluded. With 4 votes FOR and none AGAINST, Amendment I has PASSED. With 4 votes FOR and none AGAINST, Amendment II has PASSED.

                                The bill has been updated to reflect the passed amendments.


                                Final voting begins NOW and will last until 17:58 GMT on October 10th, 2021.

                                On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote AGAINST this act.

                                Donald Tusk
                                Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                                The Kingdom of Spain
                                His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                President Alberto N煤帽ez-Feij贸o
                                Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                                • Istkalen
                                  Istkalen EU last edited by

                                  On behalf of the Republic of Istkalen, I vote FOR this act.

                                  Iras Tilkanas
                                  Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                                  • Inimicus
                                    Inimicus EU last edited by

                                    The Empire of Inimicus stands AGAINST this Act.

                                    Cllr Nicholas Benfield

                                    The Empire of Inimicus
                                    Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
                                    Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
                                    Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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                                    • Inquista
                                      Inquista last edited by

                                      On behalf of the Most Blessed State of Inquista, I vote FOR this Act.

                                      Bp. Karinn Lallana
                                      Councillor for Inquista

                                      siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
                                      Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
                                      Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
                                      Councillor Karinn Lallana

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                                      • BrumBrum
                                        BrumBrum Commission last edited by

                                        On behalf of United Duchies I vote FOR this act
                                        James Mizrachi-Roscoe , Councillour for United Duchies

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                                        • Spain
                                          Spain last edited by

                                          Voting has now concluded. With 3 votes FOR and 2 votes AGAINST, this bill has PASSED.

                                          Donald Tusk
                                          Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                                          The Kingdom of Spain
                                          His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                          President Alberto N煤帽ez-Feij贸o
                                          Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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