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Kingdom of Spain v. Kingdom of Reitzmag

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  • Icholasen
    Icholasen EU last edited by 31 Aug 2020, 20:26

    Was his Majesty George I involved on the events of your kidnap? If yes, what did he do?

    I have no memory of him doing anything. However, the actors acted in the name of the Reitzmic government, which is a defendant in this case and also which represents George. We can call George from now on. He holds no titles recognised by the UNSR.

    What was the agreement to develop the Reitzmic region of New Moreland? Did both defendants take part on achieving it? If yes, what were their plans to keep this aside from the European law, if any? If not, who took part and what plans were there to invert that money?

    I don't think that that goes against the Condemnation, as the UNSR is free to engage in any trade and investment with anyone, except military goods.

    About the money incident, was that related with the ship mentioned on Nyetthem Accords or with the New Moreland development fund?

    Nyetthem Accords.

    Did the Reitzmic Government say George would recognise the UNSR?

    Yes. And we accepted that with the understanding that that meant Reitzmag and its government would recognise us.

    I also want to ask about the planes. What were the UNSR and the Reitzmic Government plans to achieve a deal that, according to the European Council Condemnation, is illegal?

    That is illegal in the condemnation, yes. Though I am under no obligation to follow EU rules. Just FYI. But their government would have broken the condemnation by trading arms with us, yes.

    The recognition of the UNSR by the Reitzmic King; was it a move to improve relations? If yes, what other deals or secret deals were done? If no, what was the purpose of this, if you know there was actually some?

    Yes it was done to improve relations.

    The Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics
    Chairman of the Communist Party: Michul Jirluchuz ☭
    EU Councillor: Poppy Carlton-Romanov (EPA)
    Korojaunu in Exile: Eilidh Whiteford ☆
    Monarch in Exile: Queen Anastasia II ♚

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    • Fremet
      Fremet EU last edited by 31 Aug 2020, 23:32

      Thank you Mr Sanders.

      I remind everyone that this witness testimony and all evidence presented is given as such under oath under penalty of perjury.

      The DEFENDANT will now have the opportunity to cross-examine the witness. Advocate Temm, you may present your questions when ready.

      Andreas EKKA
      Chief Justice of the ECoJ

      Statsminister Erna Solberg
      EU Cllr Charles Michel
      #FortressFremet

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      • Kingdom of Reitzmag
        Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by 1 Sept 2020, 01:18

        Thank you Your Honor,

        Mr. Sanders, here are my questions:

        • Were the actions of Mr. Johnson and Mr. Coventry, based on your testimony, was an official internal decision from the Reitzmic Government entirely? If so, do you have any solid evidence (video/audio record, official document, etc.)?
        • Was there an agreement reached in what you stated that Mr. Johnson asked Mr. Jirluchuz for aircraft? If so, I request this court to summon Mr. Jirluchuz to testify.
        • Did you give the money, that you brought to the area, to Mr. Johnson without any force or harm? If so, was there a document that acts as a receipt or proof of such transaction?

        This would be the first part of my cross-examination, I may ask questions later after the witness has answered these questions. Thank you!

        Sir Jonathan Temm, CMG
        Member, King's Counsel

        alt text

        HM King George
        Monarch

        Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
        Prime Minister

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        • Icholasen
          Icholasen EU last edited by 1 Sept 2020, 01:28

          Were the actions of Mr. Johnson and Mr. Coventry, based on your testimony, was an official internal decision from the Reitzmic Government entirely? If so, do you have any solid evidence (video/audio record, official document, etc.)?

          How can the head of the government and one of its senior members not be acting on behalf of the government? They are in the government, all their foreign policy and other actions are all on behalf of the government. If they were not acting on behalf of the government, I feel that the onus is on that government to provide evidence that these two senior members of the government had gone rogue. If they had not gone rogue, then they were part of the government.

          Was there an agreement reached in what you stated that Mr. Johnson asked Mr. Jirluchuz for aircraft? If so, I request this court to summon Mr. Jirluchuz to testify.

          The Chairman does not need to testify as we have an audio recording of Coventry requesting planes:

          Min. Coventry: "Okay, here's the deal. We'll release Sandals, I mean Sanders, to you. But you should give us 5 squadrons of your SU-57 planes immediately. Then, you shall surrender the power over Icholasen to the legitimate monarchy."

          This is an illegal act committed by a member of the government, in close cahoots with Johnson, the leader of said government. Though I must add I don't think it should be illegal. But that's politics.

          Did you give the money, that you brought to the area, to Mr. Johnson without any force or harm? If so, was there a document that acts as a receipt or proof of such transaction?

          I decline to answer the question on grounds it doesn't make sense.

          The Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics
          Chairman of the Communist Party: Michul Jirluchuz ☭
          EU Councillor: Poppy Carlton-Romanov (EPA)
          Korojaunu in Exile: Eilidh Whiteford ☆
          Monarch in Exile: Queen Anastasia II ♚

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          • Kingdom of Reitzmag
            Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by 1 Sept 2020, 01:30

            Mr. Sanders, I asked you if there was an agreement. You gave us evidence of Mr. Coventry asking for the aircraft, but was there any aircraft given in response to the request?

            alt text

            HM King George
            Monarch

            Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
            Prime Minister

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            • Icholasen
              Icholasen EU last edited by 1 Sept 2020, 01:32

              Okay you rephrased the sentence so now I understand it. Of course we did not give the aircraft, that request and all the requests were totally unreasonable. Especially when Reitzmag was faced with a much more powerful opponent, the UNSR. Restore the monarchy? Give up our planes? There was no chance of it happening. That isn't even necessarily the point of the litigation.

              The Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics
              Chairman of the Communist Party: Michul Jirluchuz ☭
              EU Councillor: Poppy Carlton-Romanov (EPA)
              Korojaunu in Exile: Eilidh Whiteford ☆
              Monarch in Exile: Queen Anastasia II ♚

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              • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by 1 Sept 2020, 01:43

                Mr. Sanders, you refused the last of my initial questions, I think you are asking for a clarification. What I asked was if you voluntarily gave to Mr. Johnson the money you brought, as part of the Nyetthem Accords. And if you gave it without force, was there a proof of the transaction such as a receipt signed by both parties?

                alt text

                HM King George
                Monarch

                Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                Prime Minister

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                • Icholasen
                  Icholasen EU last edited by 1 Sept 2020, 02:05

                  'No because I was transquilihsed' Bernie gesticulates 'But the will was there, and that's what I went to Reitzmag to do.'

                  The Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics
                  Chairman of the Communist Party: Michul Jirluchuz ☭
                  EU Councillor: Poppy Carlton-Romanov (EPA)
                  Korojaunu in Exile: Eilidh Whiteford ☆
                  Monarch in Exile: Queen Anastasia II ♚

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                  • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                    Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by 1 Sept 2020, 02:07

                    Your Honor,

                    I have asked enough and had found that the witness had no solid evidence of the accusations linking to the defendant, His Majesty the King George I and the Government of the Kingdom of Reitzmag.

                    Sir Jonathan Temm, CMG
                    Member, King's Counsel

                    alt text

                    HM King George
                    Monarch

                    Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                    Prime Minister

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                    • Spain
                      Spain last edited by Spain 1 Sept 2020, 08:47 1 Sept 2020, 08:46

                      Your honor, I object to the conclusions of Advocate Temm!

                      The Defendant is obviusly not interested on Sanders being heard by this court as they didn't get the ship signed in Nyetthem Accords and it's not good for the defendants, but there is enough evidence to proof:

                      1. The treaty was actually signed and the witness has said there was an agreement to recognise the UNSR in exchange of a military agreement in which both, the Kingdom of Reitzmag and HM George I were both involved to achieve said deal.
                      2. Sanders was kidnapped in order to agree another military deal, in which this time only the Government took place, and they kidnapped Mr. Sanders in order to force the deal in exchange of freedom for the witness.

                      Julián Sánchez Melgar
                      Spanish General Attorney

                      The Kingdom of Spain
                      His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                      President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                      Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                      • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                        Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by 1 Sept 2020, 10:17

                        Your honor, I object to the statement of the CLAIMANT!

                        The CLAIMANT is trying to force his own conclusion despite the clarity that:

                        • The Nyetthem Accords were signed while the Condemnation of the Coup in Icholasen was being considered.
                        • There is no solid evidence that the WITNESS can present to this court showing that the requests made by Mr. Johnson and Mr. Coventry were made after an internal decision within the Cabinet.
                        • There was no agreement reached in the request made by Mr. Johnson and Mr. Coventry.

                        Sir Jonathan Temm, CMG
                        Member, King's Counsel

                        alt text

                        HM King George
                        Monarch

                        Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                        Prime Minister

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                        • Spain
                          Spain last edited by Spain 1 Sept 2020, 10:32 1 Sept 2020, 10:32

                          Your honor, I once again object to the statement of the DEFENDANT!

                          The DEFENDANT is not right about the consideration of the Condemnation. In fact, the Condemnation was being voted and the voting period ended the same day Nyetthem Accords were being discussed. Moreover, there wasn't an agreement about the jets but actually, there was one about the ship and Mr. Sanders and the Accords say so. Finally, it's impossible that the WITNESS could present a Cabinet resolution as he is not a member of the Reitzmic Cabinet and he has never been.

                          Julián Sánchez Melgar
                          Spanish General Attorney

                          The Kingdom of Spain
                          His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                          President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                          Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                          • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                            Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by 1 Sept 2020, 14:19

                            Your honor, I request this court to summon Prime Minister Simon Bridges of Reitzmag to testify whether the archives of the Cabinet of the Kingdom of Reitzmag contain any document that shows that an internal decision was made by the cabinet to do such action.

                            Sir Jonathan Temm, CMG
                            Member, King's Counsel

                            alt text

                            HM King George
                            Monarch

                            Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                            Prime Minister

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                            • Fremet
                              Fremet EU last edited by Fremet 1 Sept 2020, 19:37 1 Sept 2020, 19:27

                              ORDER! You both will only address this court when you are called upon to make such statements or when there is a valid, substantive objection to make. Your 'objections' are hardly that and instead resemble oral arguments. You will wait for this court to rule upon each objection before filing another. You cannot file an objection simply because you disagree with the conclusions of the opposed party, you must offer a valid reasoning for the court to strike the statements of the opposing party. This is the time for the cross examination of witnesses, not the time for you to further your individual oral arguments presenting conclusions through phony objections. You will have ample opportunity to further your oral arguments following the testimony and cross examination of the witnesses. You will respect each other and this court or you will be held in contempt. This is your only warning.

                              I will allow the DEFENDANT to call a witness to the stand if there is no substantive objection from Solicitor Melgar or the prosecution.

                              THE COURT HEREBY SUMMONS MR SIMON BRIDGES TO TESTIFY. I should remind both parties that each will receive the opportunity to cross-examine Mr Bridges. After the witness is sworn in, they will deliver their statement. Following the statement by Mr Bridges, Advocate Temm will perform the cross examination first, followed by the cross examination of the CLAIMANT.

                              Andreas EKKA
                              Chief Justice of the ECoJ

                              ((OOC: This and this this are pretty decent listings of common objections used in common-law courts— which like technically this isn't but like might as well be))

                              Statsminister Erna Solberg
                              EU Cllr Charles Michel
                              #FortressFremet

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                              • Spain
                                Spain last edited by Spain 1 Sept 2020, 19:39 1 Sept 2020, 19:37

                                Objection!

                                Your honor, Mr. Bridges would be unable to say the truth on this trial, as he is leading the Government that ex rel is going under this trial. Also, he could try to protect the DEFENDANT by lying to this court and a conflict of interest between saying the truth and presiding his country would be given in case Prime Minister Bridges from the Kingdom of Reitzmag would testify.

                                Julián Sánchez Melgar
                                Spanish General Attorney

                                The Kingdom of Spain
                                His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                                • Fremet
                                  Fremet EU last edited by Fremet 1 Sept 2020, 19:43 1 Sept 2020, 19:41

                                  SUSTAINED. This court hereby withdraws its summons to Mr Bridges based on the concerns cited by the CLAIMANT regarding the existing conflict of interest regarding the summoned witness' vested interest in the DEFENDANT, thus preventing them from offering just testimony on the events cited.

                                  Advocate Temm, I will now give you the opportunity to call another witness to this proceeding.

                                  Andreas EKKA
                                  Chief Justice of the ECoJ

                                  Statsminister Erna Solberg
                                  EU Cllr Charles Michel
                                  #FortressFremet

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                                  • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                                    Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by 1 Sept 2020, 23:46

                                    Your honor,

                                    I hereby request this court to call Mr. Jeff James of the National Archives to testify instead of Mr. Bidges. The National Archives is a Non-Ministerial Government Department and only has control over the security of the archives.

                                    Sir Jonathan Temm, CMG
                                    Member, King's Counsel

                                    alt text

                                    HM King George
                                    Monarch

                                    Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                                    Prime Minister

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                                    • Fremet
                                      Fremet EU last edited by 3 Sept 2020, 14:41

                                      Again, this court will allow the DEFENDANT to call a witness to the stand if there is no substantive objection from Solicitor Melgar or the prosecution.

                                      THE COURT HEREBY SUMMONS MR JEFF JAMES TO TESTIFY. I should remind both parties that each will receive the opportunity to cross-examine Mr James. After the witness is sworn in, they will deliver their statement. Following the statement by Mr James, Advocate Temm will perform the cross examination first, followed by the cross examination of the CLAIMANT.

                                      Andreas EKKA
                                      Chief Justice of the ECoJ

                                      Statsminister Erna Solberg
                                      EU Cllr Charles Michel
                                      #FortressFremet

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                                      • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                                        Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by 4 Sept 2020, 09:30

                                        Jeff went to the witness area to begin his testimony.

                                        "Good morning to everyone, your honor. I'd like to testify that there is not a single record from the National Archives that a Government Resolution was made to push Mr. Johnson and Mr. Coventry to do such acts. During the said day of the alleged incident, I was in the archives and was preparing to close it. No one was there to report anything that the National Archives should record. Commonly, any new Government resolution was immediately reported to my office. So, that's all for my testimony."

                                        alt text

                                        HM King George
                                        Monarch

                                        Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                                        Prime Minister

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                                        • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                                          Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by 4 Sept 2020, 09:32

                                          Your honor,

                                          I have nothing else to ask Mr. James as I think that his testimony is very clear. Thank you.

                                          Sir Jonathan Temm, CMG
                                          Member, King's Counsel

                                          alt text

                                          HM King George
                                          Monarch

                                          Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                                          Prime Minister

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