Discussion on banning Istkalen European Councillour from the Council and suspension of from the EU of Istkalen
Provide your evidence. Regardless of what these rogue generals pretend to be, they are still rogue, and the Federation can prove that.
Councillor for the Federation of Istkalen
Flag badge removed from a soldier's uniform
Istkalenian Soldiers where the flags were recovered
Istkalenian flag recovered from a captured officer
These are pictures of the evidences they have sent me to provide the Council. All these therefore show that there is real battle and that the councilor from Istkalen is being dishonest.
Interim Deputy Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag
The Empire of Inimicus supports Speaker Michel's proposal for the Premier Commissioner to file a formal petition calling for membership suspension of Istkalen from the European Union, this being the only correct and legal, as well as consequential, approach to this critical issue.
Empire of Inimicus
The Kingdom of Montenbourg joins the call of Inimicus and supports Speaker Michel's proposal for the Premier Commissioner to file a formal petition calling for membership suspension of Istkalen from the European Union, this being the only correct and legal, as well as consequential, approach to this critical issue.
Also I believe that also this is one of the reasons of the Sanctions Act; we really need mechanisms that stops this nonsense. The inhumanity presented here is a precedent of why we need more central powers to take action.
Councillor of Montenbourg
The Kingdom of Spain obviously condemns these acts from Istkalen and supports any proportional response to the conflict by any of the nations affected by it. Still, from the Spanish Government we see this as a joke we don't need to care about. We all knew that Istkalen was a crazy nation, such as Eastern Haane or the Union of Syndicates, even Austria. We are actually pretty used to these kind of nations in the European Union and still we do nothing to avoid it.
At the moment I can agree on the terms proportional answer is being given, but what's going to happen next? Will we have another massive occupation like the one we had in Eastern Haane time ago from the very same country, without asking the locals? I would like to propose something if Reitzmag ends up believing an occupation is necessary: I think the best Reitzmag could do would be an agreement between Istkalen's Government, the locals and theirselves in order to set a protectorate with certain measures. I hope Cllr. Yahontov the best of luck on this conflict, as I offer Spanish mediation in order to achieve a peace agreement and I hope my suggestions are taken into consideration.
About the purpose of this discussion, I agree on giving countries or people 2nd chances. Istkalen mustn't be an excemption to the rule. I will be against any EU suspension on Istkalen or in the Council, because it's not ita citizens fault, but their crazy poloiticians'.
Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain
This is not about giving nations second chances but ensuring the safety of this chamber and its functioning. I too feel sad for the domestic victims of this terrorist government that has took over but we cannot risk the security and functioning of the chamber. The last time we did nothing people died in this chamber and many more were injured and many nations left without their main councillours. Sadly in this instance the needs of the many outweigh one nations need for a councillour. I know thats sad to say but its the truth.
James Mizrachi-Roscoe , Councillour for United Duchies
Well Councillor Mizrachi-Roscoe, if this is about "ensuring the safety and fuctioning of the European Council", why are you asking the Chamber on this discussion to suspend Istkalen from the European Union? Then the whole proposed matter it's non-sensical in my opinion. Istkalen shall not be denied a voice on the chamber, nor in the European Union. And it's clear many here don't feel sorry if you want to kick a whole country out because of their insane politicians, who deserve to be jailed instead of being free and going around Istkalen from one side to another.
Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain
I'd like to thank the European Council for supporting us in this battle against the insanity of the Istkalenian Government. As of now, we'd like to assure you that the Armed Forces are doing their best to minimize civilian casualties. They, in fact, also give proper care to the prisoners of war that they captured. I have only been informed of those information, they told me that other information are classified for the moment to prevent problems as they operate in Istkalen. But one thing had been clear, the Istkalenian Government remains hostile and insane. They have surrendered to all EU nations, but still are not ending their hostility to Reitzmag after killing about 43 soldiers in an attempt to attack Reitzmag. They pillaged a small town, and some of the people were beaten. Therefore, I believe that Reitzmag is doing what is necessary to stop these situations from happening again. And we want to let other nations know what happens to countries with insane hostile leaders. But, we assure that our actions are not to eradicate the entire country, our main goal is to reshape it to something that isn't insane.
I would also like to let the Council know that I would be here to report any information that I had been allowed to inform the public about. And as of now, that is the only information I had been informed with.
Interim Deputy Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag
The Ruthenish government supports Reitzmag and Vayinoad in its efforts to neutralize this rogue regime. It is clear that the Social Democratic Party in Istkalen was well beyond reforming when it attacked other EU nations. During this time, I believe it is important for this region to stand united in its common goal to promote national sovereignty, which the Regime took away from the people of Istkalen. The Ruthenish Government hopes that once the Transitional Authorities have done their duty and Istkalen is pacified, that the two powers will transfer all authority to a new democratic government in Istkalen in coordination with the European Union. We look forward to be working with the new government whenever they may take up the mantle of governing a liberated Istkalen. Our thoughts are currently with all those who were victims of this war and hope that it is brought to a swift end for the sake of Europe.
EU Councilor, Ruthund
I curiously agree with Concillor Yahontov; and we remember that Reitzmag is not alone in this fight. As Her Majesty's Government has authorize has authorize we stay together in this.
Councillor for Montenbourg
Councillor Yahontov, you are nothing more than a liar. The Government of Istkalen has made every gram of information available to the public regarding the illegal undertaking of former General Virkonas and her collaborators in government, all of whom have been detained, unlike the Government of Reitzmag, which sees it fit as to conceal everything from the public that makes it look as how it truly is.
Virkonas, and the former Minister of Defense, who will both stand trial for crimes against peace, the latter for crimes against humanity as well, have denied a large number of Reitzmag's claims. No towns, according to them, were captured; contrary to what the Reitzmic government would like you to believe as to justify their desperate attempts to annex parts of our country, no one was 'beaten.' The illegal offensive at question may have been done with the consent of the former Head of State; however, evidence is appearing that points to her being mentally incapable of her office, suffering, with evidence drawn from her crazed diaries, words, and general behavior before her death, all of which we have evidence of which we can present to this Council.
We are willing to allow for the creation of a foreign-led temporary transitional authority in Istkalen, as well as for the paying of monetary reparations to all affected, in addition to some of the stranger Reitzmic demands, including that of visa-free travel for Reitzmic citizens, but, as has been repeated many times, we are not surrendering parts of our country and our population to the control of foreign powers because of this. Not a single territorial concession will be made.
A final comment: Istkalen is transitioning towards democracy again. I am a supporter of the People's Committees in the territories occupied by Reitzmag, all of which - all - have now been integrated into the central government by their own accord - and certainly not particularly supportive of the government of Kerel, but Reitzmag's aggressive actions against our people, as well as Kerel's democratization efforts, have turned me to his defense.
Interim Councillor for Istkalen