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    Amendment to the European Commission Sanctioning Powers Act of 2021

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    • Fayrrendel
      Fayrrendel EU last edited by Fayrrendel

      Firstly, Councilor thank you for telling me your thoughts on this amendments. Though I must correct you on a common mistake that many Europeans make when addressing Ruthenish people. The proper way to address me is Councillor Tony since Odhinazen is not a family name, or if that's too weird you may just call me plainly Tony. Formalities are not something I highly value afterall. Now, to address your criticism.

      Firstly, we have to remember what we are asking of our member-states when we impose region-wide sanctions. It places what normally would be their decision into the hands of the European Union-- a diminishment of a nation's sovereign rights. I therefore think that any addition of complexity to ensure that the sanctions are being used properly and the processes are being properly followed. But with that said, my amendments do little to add to the complexity of the process itself. And I see little reason to claim otherwise.

      You made the claim that the amendment in Section one comes into conflict of other provisions of the law. I am surprised to hear that you made this claim, for the purpose of the amendment is to clarify and support Section I of this law. All that this amendment does is it requires Commissioners to be put on the record that they approve the provisions of the sanctions, which I believe will help make the commission more accountable. I also suspected that some Councilors might raise concern that other Commissioners might be indisposed during the preposition of the sanctions proposal. However my main problem with this line of thinking is this is part of their basic duties as Commissioners. If they cannot be present to discuss sanctions or at least show support of disapproval, then I honestly don't think they are doing their job adequately. Besides, this amendment allows for time for Commissioners to voice their opinion if they are indeed busy with more important matters. This isn't just an extra step, this is to ensure that there is actually a consensus in the Commission before the sanctions move on to this Council. It is not my wish to have another Istkalen Sanction bill made entirely by one Commissioner with nobody besides the author giving any indication to this European Union that they supported it. Because if I am being honest with you Councilor, it does look shadey. But if you wish for me to clarify the amendment so that its more clear about its intention, I am happy to do so.

      As for the second major amendment, I have to correct you Councilor on one thing: not only did I vote for the Istkalen Sanctions, my government sponsored the sanctions that your government proposed. I am honestly surprised that you were not aware of this. This is because Istkalen was a regime that presented a direct and overt threat to Europe and its member-states. This is in contrast to the UNSR, which has shown that they have no intentions (at least at the moment) of attacking Europe's member states. You can make the argument that the government in exile were attacked, but Ruthund recognized the establishment of the UNSR as an internal matter. That is why I would still vote against the UNSR sanctions if it were brought before this chamber today.

      It may be true, Councilor that both sanctions failed because they failed to reach 55%, with the Istkalen sanctions narrowly failing. But I find this point irrelevant to what this amendment is trying to achieve. The point of establishing a supermajority threshold is to ensure that the sanctions are passed with the principles of consensus building in mind and to safeguard future attempts, however distant they might be, of sanctioning unpopular regimes. I want to ensure that should we impose sanction wide sanctions, there is a very good and universal reason to do it. I felt that a supermajority was a good compromise position to take since I understand that consensus is not always possible. As for swift action, the idea of sanctioning a state is anything but swift. It relies on time being on your side, there is certainty quicker ways of taking out a regime councilor. So if swift action is what you desire, then sanctions seem like a strange path to take.

      The foundations of this amendment is the only way I can see this law being saved. As we speak, there are certain members of this chamber who are working to repeal this law altogether. This amendment will address the concerns that I have heard in this chamber so that we can move on with the task of serving the people of Europe.

      Tony Odhinazen
      EU Councilor, Ruthund

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      • Inimicus
        Inimicus EU last edited by

        "My apologies to Cllr Odhinazen and the Ruthenish government, who of course co-sponsored the Sanction Request against Istkalen and voted in favour of the Motion this month. The Imperial Government will respond to Cllr Odhinazen's points in due course, but I simply wanted to state my regret about my mistake."

        Cllr Nicholas Benfield

        The Empire of Inimicus
        Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
        Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
        Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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        • Fremet
          Fremet EU last edited by

          Debate has been extended to 18 May 2021 at 12h00 GMT.

          Charles Michel
          Council Speaker and Councilor for Fremet

          Statsminister Erna Solberg
          EU Cllr Charles Michel
          #FortressFremet

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          • Fayrrendel
            Fayrrendel EU last edited by

            Mr. Speaker, I ask you to extend the debating period for this amendment so that other Councilors may have another opportunity to comment and so that I or any other councilor may make amendments accordingly. Thank you.

            Tony Odhinazen
            EU Councilor, Ruthund

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            • Inimicus
              Inimicus EU last edited by

              "Cllr Tony, thank you for bearing with me, and I apologise again to you for my earlier mishap. Thank you, too, for your detailed response to my objections. Nevertheless, I remain opposed to this Amendment.

              I fully agree with you that Commissioners should be there to serve the peoples of Europe, including in Sanction Motions. Indeed, Premier Cocx has been a highly active Commissioner and has initiated debates and made statements in this chamber and the Commission buildings since his election. However, reality is often disappointing. During the last Commission term, Premier Merkel's office was a beacon of silence and tranquility, and not in a positive sense. The Foreign Affairs Commission has been completely and utterly quiet for nearly a year now. And, although he got off to a good start, I think we can all agree Commissioner Birdane's priorities recently have been with other things. This is the way of the world, unfortunately, and no matter how much we claim to want to change it, we won't. Tying real-world legislation into idealistic wishes is, in the Imperial Government's view, never prudent.

              Consensus is built into the Sanction Act as it stands, Cllr Tony, and it does not require a supermajority rule to enforce. The Commission is to deliberate and construct a Sanction Motion in a balanced yet efficient way. There is then a full debate process in the Council, with Councillors free to propose amendments to the Sanction Motion as they see fit. Is this not consensus? I submit it is entirely within the boundaries of modern-day rule-of-law politics. Past experiences with the Sanction Act have shown that a supermajority is completely unnecessary to achieve a Sanction Motion that works for the nations of this Union - they have shown they are not afraid to shoot down proposals they see unfit.

              Cllr Nicholas Benfield
              Empire of Inimicus

              The Empire of Inimicus
              Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
              Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
              Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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              • Spain
                Spain last edited by

                Thank you Councillor Tony for submitting this bill to the European Council, as I have been contacted by you to support the motion. I have gone through the amendments proposals and I find them correct and very appropiate for a bill which I'm also repentant of allowing it to pass. But don't forget, Councillor Tony, that the Council main purpose concerning this bill must be repealing it as soon as the next Commission is elected, because I think Premier Cocx deserves respect but also to see that one of his main measures stays until he departs from the office.

                The European Commission Sanctioning Powers Act 2021 is a law which somehow breaches some sovereignty principles, but even if we now amend this law, that's not the main problem the European Union has right now. Nobody on this Commission or this Council is giving full solutions to the deterioration of our Union, but just patching it. We get nothing from patching it, Councillor Tony, and I hope the Councillors and the next Commission candidates take notes of what should be done in our Union.

                I wish you the best of luck, Cllr. Tony, because I think these amendments should pass and, to help them to be on our legislation, I'll vote for the amendment. Thank you.

                Donald Tusk
                Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                The Kingdom of Spain
                His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                • Fremet
                  Fremet EU last edited by

                  As per the request of Councilor Tony, I am extending the debate until 25 May 2021 at 17h00 GMT.

                  Charles Michel
                  Council Speaker and Councilor for Fremet

                  Statsminister Erna Solberg
                  EU Cllr Charles Michel
                  #FortressFremet

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                  • Spain
                    Spain last edited by

                    Debate is now over. Voting begins NOW and will last until 17:01 GMT on June 1st, 2021.


                    On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote FOR this amendment.

                    Donald Tusk
                    Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                    The Kingdom of Spain
                    His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                    President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                    Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                    • Nofoaga
                      Nofoaga EU last edited by Nofoaga

                      On behalf of the Republic of Nofoaga, I vote FOR this Amendment.

                      Mrs. Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare
                      EU Councilor for the Republic of Nofoaga

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                      • C
                        Czech Slavia EU last edited by

                        On behalf of the Democratic Republic of Czech Slavia, I ABSTAIN from voting.

                        Václav Kohout
                        Councillor for Czech Slavia

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                        • Fremet
                          Fremet EU last edited by

                          On behalf of the Republic of Fremet, I vote FOR this Amendment.

                          Charles Michel
                          Council Speaker and Councilor for Fremet

                          Statsminister Erna Solberg
                          EU Cllr Charles Michel
                          #FortressFremet

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                          • Inimicus
                            Inimicus EU last edited by

                            The Imperial Government resolutely votes AGAINST this amendment and encourages others to do the same.

                            Cllr Nicolas Benfield

                            The Empire of Inimicus
                            Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
                            Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
                            Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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                            • Gadalland and Aspern
                              Gadalland and Aspern EU last edited by

                              On behalf of the Six Unions of Gadalland and Aspern, I vote FOR this amendment.

                              Ms. Édulitalle Dina
                              European Councillor

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                              • Leagio
                                Leagio ECoJ last edited by

                                On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote FOR the Amendment.

                                Francis Plessis
                                EU Councilor for Leagio

                                President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
                                Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
                                EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

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                                • M
                                  Montenbourg EU last edited by

                                  On behalf of the Kingdom of Montenbourg, I vote FOR the Amendment.

                                  Emma Granger
                                  Councillor for Montenbourg

                                  🇩🇰 The Kingdom of Montenbourg
                                  👑HM Victoria the First, Queen of Montenbourg
                                  🏛️PM Rt. Hon. Birgitte Nyborg
                                  🌟 Councillor Emma Granger.

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                                  • BrumBrum
                                    BrumBrum Commission last edited by

                                    On behalf of United Duchies I vote FOR this amendment
                                    James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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                                    • Fayrrendel
                                      Fayrrendel EU last edited by

                                      On behalf of the Realm of Great Ruthund, I vote FOR this amendment.

                                      Tony Odhinazen
                                      EU Councilor, Ruthund

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                                      • Spain
                                        Spain last edited by Spain

                                        Voting has now concluded. With 8 votes FOR, 1 vote AGAINST and 1 vote ABSTAINING, this amendment to the European Commission Sanctioning Powers Act 2021 has PASSED.

                                        Donald Tusk
                                        Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                                        The Kingdom of Spain
                                        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                        President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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