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    Amendment to the European Constitution (Speaker and Deputy Speakers) 2021

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    • M
      Montenbourg EU last edited by

      I agree with the amendment I.

      Emma Granger,
      Councillor for Montenbourg

      🇩🇰 The Kingdom of Montenbourg
      👑HM Victoria the First, Queen of Montenbourg
      🏛️PM Rt. Hon. Birgitte Nyborg
      🌟 Councillor Emma Granger.

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      • Spain
        Spain last edited by Spain

        I have to applaud this proposal from the Reitzmic Councillor, Ms. Yahontov, as it is a great base to start amending this part of the Constitution that, as proved in the last weeks and months, needed some reform in order to guarantee the order and correct functioning of the European Council. But, even if it is a great base for the amendment, I do consider some of them are missing; but that doesn't change the fact that this proposal is heading towards the good way.

        As we have seen in the last months, there has been severe delays in some "Speaker-only" procedures, especially with the approval of new Eurogroups like the European League of Sovereign States for example. I would have loved to approve their Eurogroup as soon as possible, yet the Constitution doesn't allow me to do it or to fulfill any of the "Speaker-only" functions in case of his absence. That's why we need a mechanism by which the Deputy Speaker elected with the highest number of votes could do those functions. I would also like to make a clear differentation between the 2 Deputy Speakers, as we cannot or should not pretend to give the same power to someone that had way less votes than the other candidate for the Deputy Speakership. The election has to be democratic, so have the results and their application within the European law.

        Finally, I think the proposed Section IV would turn the Council into a sort of battleground instead than into a place that can work correctly, and so I will support Cllr. Benfield's amendments, as his first amendment contains a better wording than yours under my point of view, Cllr. Yahontov.

        I'm looking forward to hear Councillors' comments on my amendments, as well as their thoughts on this bill, as I hope they cooperate in order to keep the Council going instead of not caring about its functioning and its procedures. Thank you.

        Amendment I

        Article II, Section IV, Clause I shall be amended as follows:

        III. The Speaker shall act as a mediator if a Councillor lodges an official complaint against another Councillor or against the Deputy Speakers. The process for hearing complaints and coming to a decision is up to the discretion of the Speaker. Mediation and Eurogroups approval responsibilities cannot be delegated to the Deputy Speaker if the Speaker is considered to be absent.

        Amendment II

        Article II, Section V, Clause I shall be amended as follows:

        I. The two Deputy Speaker and the Vice-Deputy Speaker s is a are Councillors responsible for assisting the Speaker on or presiding over sessions of the European Council and moderating the legislative process in the absence of the Speaker. Both Deputy Speakers shall work together in presiding over the legislative process.

        Amendment III

        Article II, Section V, Clause I bis shall be added with the following words:

        I bis. The Vice-Deputy Speaker shall be the Councillor elected with a fewer number of votes than the other elected Councillor for the Deputy Speakership of the European Council. The Vice-Deputy Speaker won't receive delegation of the moderation or Eurogroups approval responsabilities if the Speaker is considered to be absent.

        Amendment IV

        Article II, Section V, Clause II shall be amended as follows:

        II. In the absence of the Speaker Should the Speaker be incapable to conduct his/her responsibilites, the Deputy Speaker s and the Vice-Deputy Speaker may call the opening and closing of debating and voting phases in the European Council, set what constitutes a valid vote in accordance with the Constitution, and count the votes when a voting phase has ended. The Deputy Speaker s and the Vice-Deputy Speaker may extend Council proceedings if deemed suitable, however, no phase of the legislative process may be shortened and this power cannot be delegated. The Deputy Speaker and the Vice-Deputy Speaker Should both Deputy Speakers be incapable to conduct their responsiblities, they may delegate these responsibilities to any Councillor, or defer to the presenter of a proposal if they and the Speaker are both absent.

        Amendment V

        Section III. All parts of the constitution shall have the phrase Vice-Deputy Speaker be pluralized. added where needed.

        Amendment VI

        Article II, Section IV, Clause II shall be amended as follows:

        II. The Speaker may call the opening and closing of debating and voting phases in the European Council, set what constitutes a valid vote in accordance with the Constitution, and count the votes when a voting phase has ended. The Speaker may extend Council proceedings if deemed suitable, however, no phase of the legislative process may be shortened and this power cannot be delegated may only be delegated to the Deputy Speaker s and the Vice-Deputy Speaker should the Speaker be incapable to do so.

        Amendment VII

        Article II, Section V, Clause III shall be amended as follows:

        III. The Deputy Speaker shall act as a mediator if a Councillor lodges an official complaint against another Councillor or against the Speaker. The process for hearing complaints and coming to a decision is up to the discretion of the Deputy Speaker. Mediation responsibilities cannot be delegated to the Vice-Deputy Speaker unless the Deputy Speaker is considered to be absent.

        Donald Tusk
        Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

        The Kingdom of Spain
        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
        President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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        • Spain
          Spain last edited by

          Debate is now over. It is time to vote on amendments. There are NINE amendments, which have been proposed by Councillor Benfield and myself, Councillor Tusk. The amendments are thus:

          Amendment I - Proposed by Cllr. Benfield

          Section I. Article II, Section V, Clause I shall be amended as follows:
          I. The two Deputy Speakers is a are Councillors reponsible for assisting the Speaker on presiding over sessions of the European Council and moderating the legislative process in the absence of the Speaker. Both Deputy Speakers There shall be a maximum of two Deputy Speakers, who shall work together in presiding over the legislative process.

          Amendment II - Proposed by Cllr. Benfield

          Section IV. Article II, Section IV, Clause V
          V. The Speaker may dismiss a Deputy Speaker for any reason he/she deems appropriate. The dismissal may be overturned by a simple majority vote in the European Council. Should the Deputy Speaker be dismissed, a by-election shall immediately commence.

          Amendment III - Proposed by Cllr. Tusk

          Article II, Section IV, Clause I shall be amended as follows:

          III. The Speaker shall act as a mediator if a Councillor lodges an official complaint against another Councillor or against the Deputy Speakers. The process for hearing complaints and coming to a decision is up to the discretion of the Speaker. Mediation and Eurogroups approval responsibilities cannot be delegated to the Deputy Speaker if the Speaker is considered to be absent.

          Amendment IV - Proposed by Cllr. Tusk

          Article II, Section V, Clause I shall be amended as follows:

          I. The two Deputy Speaker and the Vice-Deputy Speaker s is a are Councillors responsible for assisting the Speaker on or presiding over sessions of the European Council and moderating the legislative process in the absence of the Speaker. Both Deputy Speakers shall work together in presiding over the legislative process.

          Amendment V - Proposed by Cllr. Tusk

          Article II, Section V, Clause I bis shall be added with the following words:

          I bis. The Vice-Deputy Speaker shall be the Councillor elected with a fewer number of votes than the other elected Councillor for the Deputy Speakership of the European Council. The Vice-Deputy Speaker won't receive delegation of the moderation or Eurogroups approval responsabilities if the Speaker is considered to be absent.

          Amendment VI - Proposed by Cllr. Tusk

          Article II, Section V, Clause II shall be amended as follows:

          II. In the absence of the Speaker Should the Speaker be incapable to conduct his/her responsibilites, the Deputy Speaker s and the Vice-Deputy Speaker may call the opening and closing of debating and voting phases in the European Council, set what constitutes a valid vote in accordance with the Constitution, and count the votes when a voting phase has ended. The Deputy Speaker s and the Vice-Deputy Speaker may extend Council proceedings if deemed suitable, however, no phase of the legislative process may be shortened and this power cannot be delegated. The Deputy Speaker and the Vice-Deputy Speaker Should both Deputy Speakers be incapable to conduct their responsiblities, they may delegate these responsibilities to any Councillor, or defer to the presenter of a proposal if they and the Speaker are both absent.

          Amendment VII - Proposed by Cllr. Tusk

          Section III. All parts of the constitution shall have the phrase Vice-Deputy Speaker be pluralized. added where needed.

          Amendment VIII - Proposed by Cllr. Tusk

          Article II, Section IV, Clause II shall be amended as follows:

          II. The Speaker may call the opening and closing of debating and voting phases in the European Council, set what constitutes a valid vote in accordance with the Constitution, and count the votes when a voting phase has ended. The Speaker may extend Council proceedings if deemed suitable, however, no phase of the legislative process may be shortened and this power cannot be delegated may only be delegated to the Deputy Speaker s and the Vice-Deputy Speaker should the Speaker be incapable to do so.

          Amendment IX - Proposed by Cllr. Tusk

          Article II, Section V, Clause III shall be amended as follows:

          III. The Deputy Speaker shall act as a mediator if a Councillor lodges an official complaint against another Councillor or against the Speaker. The process for hearing complaints and coming to a decision is up to the discretion of the Deputy Speaker. Mediation responsibilities cannot be delegated to the Vice-Deputy Speaker unless the Deputy Speaker is considered to be absent.


          Voting on amendments will commence NOW and will last until 15:12 GMT on October 3rd, 2021.


          I vote FOR all amendments.

          Donald Tusk
          Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

          The Kingdom of Spain
          His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
          President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
          Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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          • M
            Montenbourg EU last edited by

            I vote FOR all amendments.

            Emma Granger,
            Councillor for Montenbourg

            🇩🇰 The Kingdom of Montenbourg
            👑HM Victoria the First, Queen of Montenbourg
            🏛️PM Rt. Hon. Birgitte Nyborg
            🌟 Councillor Emma Granger.

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            • Istkalen
              Istkalen EU last edited by

              I vote FOR Amendments I, II, III, and IV, and AGAINST all other amendments.

              Iras Tilkanas
              Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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              • Inimicus
                Inimicus EU last edited by

                The Empire of Inimicus votes FOR Amendments I,II, and III, and AGAINST all other Amendments.

                Cllr Nicholas Benfield

                The Empire of Inimicus
                Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
                Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
                Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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                • Vayinaod
                  Vayinaod EU last edited by

                  For the Archrepublic of Vayinaod, I vote AGAINST all amendments.

                  Carita Falk
                  Archrepublic of Vayinaod

                  Arch-Konsul: Kristian Nylund (Greens)
                  Ruling Coalition: Greens, Moderates
                  EU Councillor : Carita Falk (Greens-Independent)

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                  • Nofoaga
                    Nofoaga EU last edited by

                    I vote FOR all amendments.

                    Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare
                    EU-Councillor for the Republic of Nofoaga

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                    • Icholasen
                      Icholasen EU last edited by

                      I, Councillor Duchess Penelope "Poppy" Carlton-Romanov the Third of Her Name, Attorney at Law, vote FOR all amendments.

                      Councillor Duchess Penelope "Poppy" Carlton-Romanov the Third of Her Name Attorney at Law
                      Nicoleizian Councillor

                      The Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics
                      Chairman of the Communist Party: Michul Jirluchuz ☭
                      EU Councillor: Poppy Carlton-Romanov (EPA)
                      Korojaunu in Exile: Eilidh Whiteford ☆
                      Monarch in Exile: Queen Anastasia II ♚

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                      • Spain
                        Spain last edited by

                        Voting on amendments has concluded. With 6 votes FOR and 1 vote AGAINST, Amendment I has PASSED. With 6 votes FOR and 1 vote AGAINST, Amendment II has PASSED. With 6 votes FOR and 1 vote AGAINST, Amendment III has PASSED. With 5 votes FOR and 2 votes AGAINST, Amendment IV has PASSED. With 4 votes FOR and 3 votes AGAINST, Amendment V has PASSED. With 4 votes FOR and 3 AGAINST, Amendment VI has PASSED. With 4 votes FOR and 3 votes AGAINST, Amendment VII has PASSED. With 4 votes FOR and 3 votes AGAINST, Amendment VIII has PASSED. With 4 votes FOR and 3 votes AGAINST, Amendment IX has PASSED.

                        The bill has been updated to reflect the passed amendments.


                        Final voting begins NOW and will last until 18:53 GMT on October 6th, 2021.

                        On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote FOR this amendment to the European Constitution.

                        Donald Tusk
                        Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                        The Kingdom of Spain
                        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                        President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                        • Istkalen
                          Istkalen EU last edited by

                          On behalf of the Republic of Istkalen, I vote AGAINST this amendment. The terminology added by the amendments is too vague and would enable significant abuse on the part of the Speaker and the Deputy Speaker in regards to its implementation.

                          Iras Tilkanas
                          Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen

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                          • Inquista
                            Inquista last edited by

                            On behalf of the Most Blessed State of Inquista, I vote AGAINST this constitutional amendment.

                            Bp. Karinn Lallana
                            Councillor for Inquista

                            siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
                            Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
                            Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
                            Councillor Karinn Lallana

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                            • M
                              Montenbourg EU last edited by

                              On behalf of the Kingdom of Montenbourg, I vote FOR this amendment to the European Constitution.

                              Emma Granger
                              Councillor for Montenbourg

                              🇩🇰 The Kingdom of Montenbourg
                              👑HM Victoria the First, Queen of Montenbourg
                              🏛️PM Rt. Hon. Birgitte Nyborg
                              🌟 Councillor Emma Granger.

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                              • Vayinaod
                                Vayinaod EU last edited by

                                On behalf of the Archrepublic of Vayinaod, I vote AGAINST this amendment.

                                Carita Falk
                                Archrepublic of Vayinaod

                                Arch-Konsul: Kristian Nylund (Greens)
                                Ruling Coalition: Greens, Moderates
                                EU Councillor : Carita Falk (Greens-Independent)

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                                • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                                  Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by

                                  I am very frustrated at how those 9 amendments made this very simple amendment to the constitution more complex. I therefore vote AGAINST this amendment. This attitude of submitting amendments that make a council motion worse than it was originally written must be stopped and not tolerated.

                                  Yuridiana Yahontov
                                  Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag

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                                  HM King George
                                  Monarch

                                  Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                                  Prime Minister

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                                  • Inimicus
                                    Inimicus EU last edited by

                                    The Imperial Government agrees with Cllr Yahontov. This proposal had real promise, however Cllr Tusk's Amendments make the bill completely uninterpretable and vague, and we are therefore forced to vote AGAINST this Amendment. We would encourage Cllr Yahontov and others to file a similar Amendment in the future.

                                    Cllr Nicholas Benfield

                                    The Empire of Inimicus
                                    Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
                                    Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
                                    Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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                                    • BrumBrum
                                      BrumBrum Commission last edited by

                                      With current amendments I must regrettably vote AGAINST this ammendment
                                      James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillour for United Duchies

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                                      • Spain
                                        Spain last edited by

                                        With 2 votes FOR and 6 votes AGAINST, this amendment to the European Constitution has been REJECTED.

                                        Donald Tusk
                                        Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain

                                        The Kingdom of Spain
                                        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                        President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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