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    BUDGET OF THE EUROPEAN UNION FOR 2020-2021

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    • Vayinaod
      Vayinaod EU last edited by

      "Mr. Musk I must say I'm hearing all this talk about paying for launch sites and complexes, etc. etc. yet my office has not yet received the report your office is suppose to conduct about the feasibilitity of a regional spaceport. Being quite frank, I do not understand why we are paying hundreds of millions of Euros for a regional spaceport when the ESA could very easily work with individual member-states such as Fremet or Reitzmag on mission by mission basis'.

      Your office is commissioned by the act I effectively wrote to produce this report, and I'm about to propose a rider to this budget so no money can be outright spent on a spaceport before this report is produced. I've yet to hear anything as required by the European Space Exploration Act, such as --- well honestly let me just quote the act outright.

      "Whereas, the report complied by the ESA shall focus on the potential impact to the local area of proposed sites, total end cost, safety to local residents, and long term feasibility of the project."

      So I'm seeing a lot of talk about cost, but not the long-term feasibility of the project. Do we even need a regional spaceport, when if a member-state needs to launch something the member-state could either go directly to another nation or work with the ESA to establish working relationships with other states to get launch site access. It's not even been a year with the ESA, and yet your office already wants to spend hundreds of millions of Euros on a vanity project that regionally we might not need due to national offices.

      This is all before we mention the outright national favortism being displayed here, how can the Kingdom of Reitzmag even be considered to be allowed to spend case on a EU project to such an unprecendented degree. It seems more like the ESA bankrolling a new reitzmag spaceport than Reitzmag helping out the ESA. This has to be dropped. I don't care whether the ESA won't be able to afford a spaceport it has yet to prove we need, this seems like an outright conflict of interest Director Musk. Especially considering your home nation. This probably also means that the spaceport would be in Reitzmag, if I had to guess, which would be an ineffecient launch site compared to better possible locations.

      Leagio with its vast desert would be fairly good as its near the equator, same with the Duxburian Union where a coastal launch site is more plausible. This sites would also likely be far less controvestial over time if I had to take a guess given recent regional history. Before you mention the lack of registration with the ESA, if thats an issue then why are we spending so much on a spaceport then for only a select number of member states.

      I'd like the Director to produce a report first before we even consider outlying a ten year budget plan for a project we probably don't need. I take issue with your budget as is. The administration costs seems to only pay for your salary, without regard to what I imagine to be an army of adminstrators needed to run the ESA, especially if you want a space complex. Nor does it provide any funds for the first listed job of the ESA.

      " Whereas, the ESA shall work to invest and research in new technologies and sciences that relate to the civilian use of space. The ESA shall work with national agencies in member states to cross-harmonize regulations."

      I don't see any money budgeted at all for this, as well as the more regulatory processes the ESA should be conducting. This ESA budget is a sham, much like the Reitzmic moon landings.

      How about this Director Musk, produce your report and maybe outline an actual set of missions, and work towards needing to say we need a space port before we spend billions on a spaceport that might not be used to its full potential. I'd rather you ask for money for some space probe mission, or some regional space station and use readily avaiable national partners before we commit to a wholesale regional space infrastructure.

      I will make additional notes on the rest of the European Budget shortly Mr. Speaker."

      Carita Falk
      Councillor for the Archrepublic of Vayinaod
      Mother of the ESA

      Arch-Konsul: Kristian Nylund (Greens)
      Ruling Coalition: Greens, Moderates
      EU Councillor : Carita Falk (Greens-Independent)

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      • Kingdom of Reitzmag
        Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by Kingdom of Reitzmag

        Thank you Hon. Falk, I will do so and complete this task as soon as possible.

        Elon Musk
        Director, European Space Administration

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        HM King George
        Monarch

        Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
        Prime Minister

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        • Spain
          Spain last edited by

          First of all I would like to thank the Premier Commissioner Eilidh Whiteford and Cllr. Firoux for releasing the budget for 2020 and 2021. I'm focusing, if it's not a problem, on the European Seed Trust, which is the European organization I lead and I want to explain what we do every year to preserve and also to get new samples in order to have a better seed bank and working together with lots of Institutions.

          Despite being one of the most underated agencies in the whole Europe, the European Seed Trust does much more than anyone could imagine. We work along the different member states seed banks to protect our environment and to study the seeds, the plants and getmore and more seeds in order to help someone to reforest if a part of their country has suffered a fire or a natural disaster.

          The budget we are receiving is a great amount, I expected even much less but this is a good amount to continue doing our labor and try to doing it much better than last year. Thank you very much.

          César González
          European Seed Trust Director

          The Kingdom of Spain
          His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
          President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
          Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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          • Leagio
            Leagio ECoJ last edited by

            Although the Director of the European Aviation Agency mentioned a good point, i think that the Council should meet somewhere in the middle as the funds from the budget surplus could be used for other programs. If the Speaker has no problem with this, then i would like to propose some amendments to the budget that relate not only to the EAA but other programs within the European Union. The following programs that i think should have increased funding is not only the EAA but also the European Health Organization and the European Health Insurance Program. So, I propose two amendments to this legislation.

            Amendment 1
            European Aviation Agency: €780,000,000
            European Health Organization (including European Biotechnology Advisory Board): €732,823,400

            Amendment 2:
            European Health Insurance Card Program: €53,518,000

            Francis Plessis
            EU Councilor for Leagio

            President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
            Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
            EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

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            • Inquista
              Inquista last edited by Inquista

              Debate is now over. It is time to vote on amendments. There are two amendments, both proposed by Councillor Plessis:

              Amendment I
              European Aviation Agency: €780,000,000
              European Health Organization (including European Biotechnology Advisory Board): €732,823,400

              Amendment II
              European Health Insurance Card Program: €53,518,000

              Voting on amendments begins NOW and will last until 20:00 on August 18th, 2020.


              I vote FOR both amendments.

              Edward Firoux
              Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

              siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
              Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
              Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
              Councillor Karinn Lallana

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              • Vayinaod
                Vayinaod EU last edited by

                I vote FOR both amendments.

                Arch-Konsul: Kristian Nylund (Greens)
                Ruling Coalition: Greens, Moderates
                EU Councillor : Carita Falk (Greens-Independent)

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                • Spain
                  Spain last edited by

                  On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote FOR both amendments.

                  Donald D. Tusk
                  Councillor for Spain

                  The Kingdom of Spain
                  His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                  President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                  Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                  • Duxburian Union
                    Duxburian Union EU last edited by

                    I vote AGAINST both amendments, since no justification was given as to why those specific amounts are needed.

                    Wesley Greene
                    Councillor of the Duxburian Union

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                    • Fayrrendel
                      Fayrrendel EU last edited by Fayrrendel

                      On behalf of the Realm of Great Ruthund, I vote AGAINST both Amendments. The Ruthenish government is opposed any further expansion both the European Budget and its responsibilities.

                      Helhuan Zihuruthstukur
                      EU Councillor, Ruthund

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                      • Nofoaga
                        Nofoaga EU last edited by

                        On behalf of the Republic of Nofoaga, I vote FOR both amendments.

                        Mrs. Azaya Dubecq
                        EU Councilor for the Republic of Nofoaga

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                        • Mennrimiak
                          Mennrimiak EU last edited by Mennrimiak

                          On behalf of the United Kingdoms of Mennrimiak i vote AGANIST both amendments, The Mennrimian State is not going to support a budget with no justification, and we think there are most important things to focus on to.

                          Adam Karlssen
                          Councillor of Mennrimiak


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                          • Inimicus
                            Inimicus EU last edited by

                            On behalf of the Empire of Inimicus, I vote AGAINST Amendment I and FOR Amendment II.

                            Sir Augustus Barrington
                            Empire of Inimicus

                            The Empire of Inimicus
                            Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
                            Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
                            Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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                            • Leagio
                              Leagio ECoJ last edited by

                              On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote FOR both amendments.

                              Francis Plessis
                              EU Councilor for Leagio

                              President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
                              Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
                              EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

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                              • M
                                Montenbourg EU last edited by

                                On behalf of the Kingdom of Montenbourg, I vote FOR both amendments.

                                Emma Granger
                                Councillor for Montenbourg

                                🇩🇰 The Kingdom of Montenbourg
                                👑HM Victoria the First, Queen of Montenbourg
                                🏛️PM Rt. Hon. Birgitte Nyborg
                                🌟 Councillor Emma Granger.

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                                • Icholasen
                                  Icholasen EU last edited by

                                  Icholasen votes AGAINST both amendments.


                                  Duchess Poppy Carlton-Romanov, Councillor for the United Dominions of Icholasen


                                  OOC: Here are the OOC justifications for the spending. This was posted on the discord, but I realise some people may not have seen it.

                                  The Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics
                                  Chairman of the Communist Party: Michul Jirluchuz ☭
                                  EU Councillor: Poppy Carlton-Romanov (EPA)
                                  Korojaunu in Exile: Eilidh Whiteford ☆
                                  Monarch in Exile: Queen Anastasia II ♚

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                                  • P
                                    Pravoslaviya EU last edited by

                                    On behalf of the Kingdom of Pravoslaviya, I vote AGAINST both amendments.

                                    Cllr Tupac Shakur

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                                    • Fremet
                                      Fremet EU last edited by

                                      On behalf of the Kingdom of Fremet, I vote FOR Amendment I and AGAINST Amendment II.

                                      Charles Michel
                                      Councillor for the Kingdom of Fremet

                                      Statsminister Erna Solberg
                                      EU Cllr Charles Michel
                                      #FortressFremet

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                                      • Inquista
                                        Inquista last edited by Inquista

                                        Voting on amendments is now over. Amendments I and II both received 7 votes for and 6 votes against, and thus have been REJECTED. Simple majorities require 55% of the vote to pass.

                                        Final voting on the budget begins NOW and will last until 22:15 GMT on August 21st, 2020.


                                        On behalf of the Most Blessed State of Inquista, I vote FOR the budget.

                                        Edward Firoux
                                        Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

                                        siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
                                        Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
                                        Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
                                        Councillor Karinn Lallana

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                                        • Duxburian Union
                                          Duxburian Union EU last edited by

                                          OOC: As a reminder, the vast majority of the Discord server is OOC and non-canon. A document introduced there does not exist in the RP and can't be admitted into the Council on an OOC basis late in the legislative process. Players also don't vote for the budget, Councillors do. The document is therefore inadmissible. The proper way to have handled this was to have introduced the document into the Council ICly during the debate phase, so Councillors could consider the reasoning behind the numbers and come to an informed decision. </OOC>


                                          On behalf of the Union of Duxburian Dominions, I vote FOR the budget.

                                          Wesley Greene
                                          Councillor of the Duxburian Union

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                                          • Icholasen
                                            Icholasen EU last edited by

                                            OOC: Totally agree, but our goal was just to have a budget. There's no real IC reasoning for the budget being this way other than 'It funds the European Union.' If there was a budget from 2019-20 then there'd be either cuts or investments, but since there was not a budget before, there's not much of an IC reasoning for the budget being this way necessarily. Of course for the next budget this will all be solved so all is good!


                                            On behalf of the United Dominions of Icholasen I vote FOR this budget.

                                            Duchess Poppy Carlton-Romanov, Councillor for Icholasen

                                            The Union of Nicoleizian Socialist Republics
                                            Chairman of the Communist Party: Michul Jirluchuz ☭
                                            EU Councillor: Poppy Carlton-Romanov (EPA)
                                            Korojaunu in Exile: Eilidh Whiteford ☆
                                            Monarch in Exile: Queen Anastasia II ♚

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