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      A Former User last edited by

      Section I. The European Council

      I. The European Council is the sole and supreme legislative body of the European Union.

      II. Each member state has the right to one Councillor. Each Councillor is equal and has the same rights. Each Councillor has one vote and can only represent one member state. Each Councillor must be a citizen or legal resident of the member state they represent. No Councillor may serve concurrently as a Commissioner or Justice.

      III. Each member state has the right to one Representative. Representatives have the right to participate in debate; however, they may not vote nor propose legislation. Representatives can only represent one member state, and must be a citizen or legal resident of the member state they represent. No Representative may serve concurrently as a Commissioner or Justice.

      III. **IV. ** All views can be voiced in the European Council.

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      • Inquista
        Inquista last edited by

        Debate is now open until 04:35 GMT on November 10th, 2020.

        Councillor, could you please provide an explanation for your proposal?

        Edward Firoux
        Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

        siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
        Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
        Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
        Councillor Karinn Lallana

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          A Former User last edited by

          Ah, I am quite sorry about that. Many have complained about a lack of representation from the governments of member states; however, others worry about the ramifications this may have in terms of accountability. With this amendment, a balance is to be established between these two - where governments can freely and independently of their councillor can send representation, but at the same time ensure that those who make the final say on legislation remain accountable.

          Eugen Freund
          Councillor for the Federal Republic of Austria

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            A Former User last edited by

            While debate has technically ended, due to the apparent lack of it, I ask for an extension.

            Eugen Freund
            Councillor for the Federal Republic of Austria

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            • Inquista
              Inquista last edited by

              Debate will be extended for 48 hours, until 02:00 GMT on November 14th, 2020.

              If I'm honest, I'm not a fan of this. The European Council is meant for Councillors. If we want Representatives - who can debate, but not vote on legislation - then I believe we should have an entirely separate body for that.

              Bigger picture, though, I believe this proposal would make the European Assembly even more redundant. The purpose of the European Assembly is explicitly for the highest representatives of member states government to meet and discuss. Sure, the European Assembly isn't exactly involved with any Council affairs as it is, but if there was to be any reform, then it ought to begin there, in my opinion. My concern is that we just keep adding layers of bureaucracy and new positions, and so many of them have become redundant, unnecessary, or totally undeserved.

              Edward Firoux
              Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

              siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
              Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
              Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
              Councillor Karinn Lallana

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              • BrumBrum
                BrumBrum Commission last edited by

                As the United Duchies councillour I support this motion. This protects democracy while ensuring government views are heard in this chamber. It strikes the right balance. We will be voting for this ammendment.
                Tobias Johnson Farage

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                  Alkharya EU last edited by

                  I will not support this legislation because I don't believe that councillors will work independently from representatives. I am concerned that this will limit councillors freedom and make representatives act like a watchdog for councillors. If we want more representation for the governments in the council, then we should've let member states to decide the way they chose their councillor, but that's another story. This amendment would have been more defined and less half-assed if representatives could vote and propose legislation, but the councillors having the power to veto the legislation if possible, but bicameralism is a garbage way of doing things and an unicameral system is more effective and superior in every way.

                  Aylin Gökçen
                  Councillor of Alkharya

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                  • Duxburian Union
                    Duxburian Union EU last edited by

                    I also don't see the point of this. Councillors are already free to invite whoever they need to give input during debate. The European Constitution should only state what's absolutely necessary, without redundancy, as we already can't agree on what the existing words mean.

                    Wesley Greene
                    Councillor of the Duxburian Union

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                    • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                      Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by

                      I'd like to request for another debate extension so we can thoroughly examine this proposal.

                      Friedrich van Allen
                      Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag

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                      HM King George
                      Monarch

                      Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                      Prime Minister

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                      • Inquista
                        Inquista last edited by

                        Sure. Debate will be extended for 48 hours from the previous extension, until 02:00 GMT on November 16th, 2020.

                        Edward Firoux
                        Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

                        siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
                        Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
                        Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
                        Councillor Karinn Lallana

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                        • Inimicus
                          Inimicus EU last edited by

                          There is a real argument to be had about the structure and form of the European Council; a debate which, in fact, we have been having in this chamber for years on end. This, however, is not a viable solution in the eyes of the Imperial Government. As Cllr Greene rightly pointed out, Councillors in this body are already more than welcome to invite guests and speakers into the Council to speak on whatever issue. This Amendment does not solve the debate on elected vs appointed councillorships, it does not solve the debate on proportional vs equal representation. Inimicus will oppose it.

                          Hetty Tilki
                          Empire of Inimicus

                          The Empire of Inimicus
                          Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
                          Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
                          Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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                          • Spain
                            Spain last edited by

                            This idea could be great for those wishing to have their "Government Representative" on the Council, but that's not something I would be confortable here. I will give you a simple example to explain my choice: Imagine a Councillor stands against for a certain bill, which we will call "Bill A"; but the Government representative on this chamber is for it. Now, the Councillor votes against Bill A, which makes the Government and the Representative be mad at our Councillor. If his Government recalls their Councillor, and they don't allow him to run again. What do we get? A voice being silenced at this chamber because of the representative's idea.

                            With no representatives, at least no one can tell the Councillor what they want him to vote or do, and there is no excuse to recall him because he couldn't have met with the President, Prime Minister or whoever. But if we get a representative, the example could be true in a few days. That's why I will vote against it. Thank you.

                            Donald D. Tusk
                            Councillor for Spain

                            The Kingdom of Spain
                            His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                            President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                            Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                            • Inquista
                              Inquista last edited by

                              Debate is now over. Final voting begins NOW and will last until 07:00 GMT on November 21st, 2020.

                              On behalf of the Most Blessed State of Inquista, I vote AGAINST this constitutional amendment.

                              Edward Firoux
                              Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

                              siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
                              Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
                              Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
                              Councillor Karinn Lallana

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                              • Duxburian Union
                                Duxburian Union EU last edited by

                                On behalf of the Union of Duxburian Dominions, I vote AGAINST the amendment.

                                Wesley Greene
                                Councillor of the Duxburian Union

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                                  Alkharya EU last edited by

                                  On behalf of Alkharya, I vote AGAINST this constitutional amendment.

                                  Aylin Gökçen
                                  Councillor of Alkharya

                                  Any and all content posted in this account is fiction (unless stated otherwise) and does not represent anyone's actual, real-life opinion, including the writer himself and the people in the pictures used. Photos are credited where possible.

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                                  • Nofoaga
                                    Nofoaga EU last edited by

                                    On behalf of the Republic of Nofoaga, I vote AGAINST this constitutional amendment.

                                    Mrs. Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare,
                                    EU Councillor for the Republic of Nofoaga

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                                      Montenbourg EU last edited by

                                      On behalf of the Kingdom of Montenbourg, I vote AGAINST this constitutional amendment.

                                      Emma Granger
                                      Councillor for Montenbourg

                                      🇩🇰 The Kingdom of Montenbourg
                                      👑HM Victoria the First, Queen of Montenbourg
                                      🏛️PM Rt. Hon. Birgitte Nyborg
                                      🌟 Councillor Emma Granger.

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                                      • Spain
                                        Spain last edited by

                                        On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote AGAINST this constitutional amendment.

                                        Donald D. Tusk
                                        Councillor for Spain

                                        The Kingdom of Spain
                                        His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                                        President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                                        Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                                        • BrumBrum
                                          BrumBrum Commission last edited by

                                          On behalf of United Duchies I vote FOR this constitutional amendment.

                                          Tobias Johnson Farage , United Duchies

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                                          • Leagio
                                            Leagio ECoJ last edited by

                                            On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote AGAINST this amendment.

                                            Francis Plessis
                                            EU Councilor for Leagio

                                            President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
                                            Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
                                            EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

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