The Kingdom of Spain
20 Oct 2020, 14:59
On behalf of United Duchies, I vote FOR the amendment.
Tobias Farage Johnson
Councillour for United Duchies
Amendment to Article 2 proposition
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Councillor Gökçen, that is quite the personal attack against Councillor Farage Johnsen. I ask that you please refrain from making such personal digs at another esteemed member of this Council, and instead, save and channel all your contempt towards me. I am quite used to being the boogeyman, and so I will happily take on the role as your punching bag. However, all other Councillors are off-limits, and I ask that you withdraw your comments about Councillor Farage Johnsen.
Considering the level of your scorn, Councillor, I'm not even sure if I want to debate you, in part because I don't want to provoke another tirade, but also because I don't think you're even faintly interested in what others will have to say, and so therefore a discussion would be pointless. So I will only address you this one time and leave it at this.
Government appointees are not inherently more more qualified than elected candidates. Typically election are held with the exact premise that the most qualified person gets elected, rather than gets chosen by a single or group of politicos. Of course, the term qualified is a completely loaded term, but if anyone is to decide what counts as 'qualified', then it ought to be the people themselves, rather than their political friends and buddies in government.
As Councillor Helhuan pointed out, not only is the Council a democratic institution, but democracy is a core tenant of the European Union, and it is a value enshrined in our Constitution. Your problem with democracy seems to have a highly personal element to it. From what you've said, I seem to get the impression you didn't like the fact that other people were able to nominate themselves and run against you for election? Yikes.
Anyway, let's keep the discussion to the proposal at hand.
Edward Firoux
Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista -
No, no and a thousand times no. This proposal will not have my support because of some reasons I'll explain right now, but firstly I need to say this bill is pretty confusing to me as the text is always on the same style and finding the Articles and the Amendments in bold, which is an easier task when an amendment is, in my opinion, "well-organised", but that's no problem to me as of now as I could find it. If I couldn't, then we would have some problems with it. With that said, I'm going to enter the "sea of words" and explain the reasons why I will be against this bill. And please Cllr. Farage, as a suggestion, just for the sanity of my eyes and others' eyes too, try to organise the Amendment
So, in the first amendment I spotted that it would be illegal to pass that. The Elected and Accountable Council Act 2020 makes it illegal, moreover the Government appointed one councillor could make the Council a political tool for European Governments to get a majority of Councillors which they like. If we had several complains about the Eurogroup I'm affiliated to, this amendment would make it worse even if its intention is the opposite. What's the sense o this proposal then? For much I try to search for a reason to say "it could be a good idea", I can't find it. So I can't think of many governments appointing their councillors when they are not allowed to.
Secondly, I want to point out about some nations that complain about how we use the money they pay to the European Union. More Councillors means more money, another House means more money. If Councillor Farage and Councillor van Allen like to implode the European Union from the Council, then you are going the right way. If the Council passes this act, I'm sure that some nations will complain and Europe shall look at what they are worried of and help them instead of making them angry or disturbed with this amendments. And about the bicameral system, it would fail as it failed before because it would be left behind.
Councillors, this amendment is pointless and will get us nowhere. We can be the most Europeists, but with amendments like these we are just destroying the European Union, which some here may like to see sometimes, one of them even complains about the show he offered us some months ago with a, in my most sincere opinion, undemocratic election which only lasted 4 days, with no debate or a minor campaign. But I also have to congrat the Reitzmic Government, as they made an election possible in a week, a process that takes around 3 months. I want to keep a strong Europe, and this won't make it stronger, but weaker.
Donald D. Tusk
Councillor for Spain -
The United Duchies is supportive of the Inquistan amendment being put to vote.If nations feel all should be elected we are perfectly content with that as it is how we intend to implement it ourselves should the amendment overall pass. Tobias Farage Johnson
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Discussion is now over. Voting on amendments to the amendment begins NOW and ends at 13:00 GMT on October 24th, 2020. There is one amendment, proposed my myself:
Amendment
II. Each member state has the right to three Councillorstwo of which must be elected directly with the third selected by a method decided by the government and parliament of each memberstate. Each Councillor is equal and has the same rights. Each Councillor has one vote and can only represent one member state. Each Councillor must be a citizen or legal resident of the member state they represent. No Councillor may serve concurrently as a Commissioner or Justice.I vote FOR the amendment.
Edward Firoux
Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista -
The Kingdom of Montenbourg, ABSTAINS from this amendment.
Emma Granger
Councillor for Montenbourg -
On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote FOR the amendment.
Donald D. Tusk
Councillor for Spain -
On behalf of the Kingdom of Reitzmag, I vote FOR the amendment.
Friedrich van Allen
Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag -
On behalf of United Duchies, I vote FOR the amendment.
Tobias Farage Johnson
Councillour for United Duchies -
On behalf of Alkharya, I vote AGAINST the amendment.
Aylin Gökçen
Councillor of Alkharya -
On Behalf of the United Kingdoms of Mennrimiak, i vote FOR this amendment
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On behalf of the Kingdom of Fremet, I vote FOR the amendment.
Charles Michel
Councilor for the Kingdom of Fremet -
On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote FOR this amendment
Francis Plessis
EU Councilor for Leagio -
The Empire of Inimicus votes AGAINST Cllr Firoux' amendment.
Hetty Tilki
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The Union of Duxburian Dominions votes AGAINST the amendment.
Wesley Greene
Councillor of the Duxburian Union -
The Kingdom of Pravoslaviya votes AGAINST Cllr Firoux's amendment.
Cllr Tupac Shakur
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On behalf of Her Majesty Queen Anastasia and Icholasen, I vote FOR the amendment.
Duchess Councillor Poppy Carlton-Romanov III, Attorney at Law
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On behalf of the Republic of Nofoaga, I ABSTAIN from voting.
Mrs. Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare
EU Councilor for the Republic of Nofoaga -
With 7 votes for and 4 votes against, the amendment has passed. The legislation has been updated to reflect the passed amendment.
Final voting begins NOW and will last until 05:45 GMT on October 30th, 2020.
On behalf of the Most Blessed State of Inquista, I ABSTAIN from voting on this constitutional amendment.
Edward Firoux
Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista -
On behalf of Alkharya, I vote AGAINST the amendment.
Aylin Gökçen
Councillor of Alkharya -
On behalf of the Kingdom of Pravoslaviya, I ABSTAIN on this amendment.
Cllr Tupac Shakur
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