Definition of Nations (Istkalen) Bill


  • EU

    Firstly, I will refer to myself solely as a representative and not a Councillor, as to avoid lengthy legal arguments that I'm sure we all want to avoid.

    Secondly, what exactly are you trying to say, Councillor Tusk? The war against Reitzmag has ended, initiated firstly by a woman who by all accounts was high on crack at the time, and secondly by what amounted to legal confusion, although, as I was not there - I had just been liberated from a prison camp - I do not know. The Republic continues to exist - it was not self-proclaimed, either, it is entirely legitimate - the J-TAI seems only to have arrested some of its members rather than abolished it completely, as it called for new elections, which have now been delivered on. It couldn't have done so, in fact, as it would have, to an extent, opposed the Instrument of Surrender. The new Republic, which I presently represent, is attempting to cooperate with the J-TAI. It has proposed a power-sharing formula, and constructive discussion and dialogue is underway. The legal situation is slightly confusing, but it will, I'm sure, be resolved soon.

    Thirdly, why the Commission? What does the Commission have to do with this? It doesn't have the power to do this, and has had no hand in the conflict - how have you arrived at the conclusion that it should make the decision rather than the Council?

    In any case, I believe this will reduce confusion, and at the very least will solve issues, especially those regarding the near-arbitrary deprivation of citizenship of almost 30 million individuals.

    Iras Tilkanas
    Representative for Istkalen


  • EU

    This bill is so clear, folks. It's saying that if you're from Istkalen and you want to serve our region, then the actions of J-TAI or whatever crazy regime took over your country shouldn't stop that. It's not a 'Commission-and-Council matter' about whether the Republic of Istkalen still exists, or doesn't exist, or used to not exist but does again, whatever - it's about the supreme legislative body of the European Union, which is this, the Council, OK, saying people from Istkalen can still stand for election to our offices here in Europolis.

    Imagine if we said that no, actually you can't stand; then you could invade a country to stop a candidate from that country that you don't like. They surrender, you abolish their country, you take out the competition, OK? We know some of the globalists would do this so quick, I mean, look at what they did to Craticus. Look at what Juncker said about throwing Winston off a balcony; next time he'd be sending his tanks to Reitzmag, OK, and then there'd be no more Reitzmag, and no more Winston running for Internal Affairs, bye-bye! We can't do this, folks, it's crazy! We have to let people run! You can't not let people run, we can do a common view on everything else Istkalen later, but for now you have got to let people run for Commission, and for ECoJ.

    So I'd like to thank the representative from Istkalen and all other good people, great people, who will support this great bill. Maybe Tusk, if he doesn't mind the competition, he can support this bill too, OK? We'll see.

    Cllr Dragan Trympov


  • ECoJ

    I think it'd be best if we hear the opinions of the J-TAI on this matter.

    Yuridiana Yahontov
    Interim Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag


  • Commission

    The Empire of Inimicus will not support any attempt by any Councillor to use pseudo-legal ways to achieve representation from whatever murderous regime currently rules the territory of Istkalen. The Imperial Government hopes the Republic of Istkalen earns the trust of the international community over the next few months, after which we may reconsider our opinion.

    Cllr Nicolas Benfield
    Empire of Inimicus


  • EU

    Benfield, you are so wrong. This guy needs to stop looking at climate graphs and read the Constitution, OK?

    The Constitution says, "Commissioners do not represent nor are they related to any government of any member state of the European Union". OK? And this is about Commissioners, the bill doesn't say we should have a councillor from Istkalen. In fact, it says here, "This Act does not constitute recognition of the right of Istkalen to representation on the European Council."

    All we are doing is saying if someone wants to represent the European Union, and they're from Istkalen, then the actions of the J-TAI shouldn't stop that. This isn't the medieval warm period any more, Benfield, we don't stop people standing for election because of a conquest, or a war.

    I mean, you should have seen this guy, folks. All the time he's been reading these graphs, going up, going down, climate and temperatures, and I don't know. The only temperature he knows about is that the Globalists have gone cold. The only graph he knows about is that the Globalists' support is going down. You could even say it's going down like a hockey stick.

    So folks, if you're not scared of a little opposition, and you don't want the Reitzmic army going around stopping anyone you don't like from running for Commission, then you have got to vote for this bill. That's all it is, folks. That's all it is.

    Cllr Dragan Trympov


  • EU

    Cllr. Trympov, just before I introduce an amendment to this bill, I want to remember you about something you seem not to understand: Mr. Juncker didn't say he would throw Atty. Winston off a balcony, but answering the question "What else could we expect about you?", he said: 'Joining the balconing team in Ibiza, but this time without a Parachute with you.' Also Ms. Yahontov, if you want to propose any guest to come here and explain what the Joint Transitional Authority for Istkalen thinks, please tell us a name and we will work to bring the person here as soon as possible.

    But, as of now, here's my amendment:

    SECTION I

    II. Anyone who was a citizen of the Republic of Istkalen on May 26th, 2021 may not nominate themselves as a candidate for election to the European Commission and the European Court of Justice until the European Commission reaches a conclusion concerning the current status of Istkalen within the European Union. and if elected, may serve in the role to which they have been elected.

    Donald Tusk
    Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain


  • EU

    Why? It is illegal to unilaterally strip millions of people of their citizenship. Are you so obsessed with Mr. Juncker that you are trying to block others from campaigning against him?

    If this continues, we may have to secede our territory again as to reform Istkalen. I will also ask for an extension.

    Iras Tilkanas
    Representative of the Republic of Istkalen


  • EU

    Cllr. Tilkanas, I think you don't really understand that Istkalen has ceased to exist, and you just need to look to the Instrument of Surrender, which under my reading gives the occupying forces, in this case, Reitzmag and Vayinaod; the power to abolish the State of Istkalen, which by the way, happened. That means Istkalen is not a country, therefore it can be a member of the European Union, so then they cannot have a Councillor. This is not about Mr. Juncker, the campaign or whatever you want to, it is about legal stuff. The European Commission is the only competent office to decide on how Istkalen should be regarded, while the Council should ratify that view. Meanwhile, it is not illegal to strip that people from their citizenship, because Istkalen doesn't exist, so they are stateless.

    Donald Tusk
    Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain


  • EU

    I am now the Interim Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen, unrelated to the Republic of Istkalen.

    Who gave the Commission this power? It isn't the Constitution, that is certain. It is you and you alone! Even though this involves a state which I no longer have any connection to, this is evil and insane!

    Iras Tilkanas
    Interim Councillor for the Republic of Istkalen


  • ECoJ

    I would like to clarify upon further reading the announcement made by the J-TAI that only the Republic of Istkalen was disbanded but the State of Istkalen remains. This therefore means that there is a state but the shadow government is absent until new elections have concluded. In addition, this means that Istkalen isn't stateless and still exists. There only isn't a shadow government that represents the people for the J-TAI. I am also informed that currently negotiations are underway for the formation of a joint government with the new Republic of Istkalen.

    Yuridiana Yahontov
    Interim Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag


  • EU

    Can voting on the amendment (which I'm obviously against) please begin?

    Cllr Dragan Trympov


  • EU

    Debate is now over. It is time to vote on the amendments. Voting on amendments begins NOW and will last until 22:25 GMT on June 8th, 2021.

    There's one amendment, proposed by Cllr. Tusk:

    Amendment I - Proposed by Cllr. Tusk

    SECTION I
    II. Anyone who was a citizen of the Republic of Istkalen on May 26th, 2021 may not nominate themselves as a candidate for election to the European Commission and the European Court of Justice until the European Commission reaches a conclusion concerning the current status of Istkalen within the European Union. and if elected, may serve in the role to which they have been elected.


    I vote FOR the amendment.

    Donald Tusk
    Deputy Speaker and Councillor for Spain


  • EU

    On behalf of the Democratic Republic of Czech Slavia, I vote AGAINST the amendment I.

    Václav Kohout
    Councillor for Czech Slavia


  • EU

    On behalf of the Kingdom of Pravoslaviya, I vote AGAINST the amendment.

    Cllr Dragan Trympov


  • EU

    On behalf of the Republic of Nofoaga, I ABSTAIN from voting.

    Mrs. Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare
    EU Councilor for the Republic of Nofoaga


  • ECoJ

    On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote FOR the amendment.

    Francis Plessis
    EU Councilor for Leagio


  • ECoJ

    On behalf of the Realm of Great Ruthund, I vote AGAINST the amendment.

    Tony Odhinazen
    EU Councilor Ruthund


  • EU

    On behalf of United Duchies I vote AGAINST the amendment
    James Mizrachi-Roscoe, Councillor for United Duchies


  • EU

    On behalf of the Republic of Fremet, I vote AGAINST the Amendment.

    Charles Michel
    Council Speaker and Councilor for Fremet


  • EU

    On behalf of the Kingdom of Montenbourg, I ABSTAIN from voting.

    Emma Granger
    Councilor for Montenbourg


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