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    • Vayinaod
      Vayinaod EU last edited by

      Fellow Cllrs. I echo the sentiments of Speaker Firoux as the reasons to support amendment 2. If the mission of nations like Reitzmag is truly humanitarian, then they should have no qualms as to taking themselves out of military actions in any intervention. There have been hundreds of Reitzmic causalities, at least those publicly acknowledged. Amendment 2 will go far to show the local people of Eastern Haane we will not universally forgive actions that may have forsaken the European principals we stand for.

      I hope the various Councillors reconsider this, and support the second amendment I proposed.

      Arch-Konsul: Kristian Nylund (Greens)
      Ruling Coalition: Greens, Moderates
      EU Councillor : Carita Falk (Greens-Independent)

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      • ?
        A Former User last edited by A Former User

        I would like to bring up the recent statement made by the leader of one of Eastern Haane's guerilla forces, in which it is said that "Reitzmic forces have set up a totalitarian state apparatus," and that "they know and see everything." While I in no way trust this man, who has spearheaded a number of atrocities against Reitzmic forces, we must at the very least consider that what he is saying is true. If so, then it appears that Reitzmag has gained total and near permanent control over the area.

        As a result, while I do fully support the second amendment as a result of the antipathy that the Haaneans have for the Reitzmic forces, I also caution the nations to take part in this coalition. If this statement is true, Reitzmag will refuse to move, and will be difficult to remove forcefully without mass casualty.

        However, a removal must certainly be made if no voluntary action is made. Even without this statement, all evidence from the area points to an occupation.

        Eugen Freund
        Councillor for the Federal Republic of Austria

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        • Inimicus
          Inimicus EU last edited by

          "I would like to thank Speaker Firoux, Cllr Freund, and Cllr Falk for clarifying the reasons for Amendment 2. The Empire has been swayed to support it, and we thank you.

          I echo Cllr Freund's words, which emphasise the nature of Reitzmic military occupation in the region. Any coalition members who take part in military operations against elements in Eastern Haane or, heavens forbid, the Kingdom of Reitzmag, should be warned for the seemingly near-total occupation of several regions in Eastern Haane that Reitzmic forces have wrought.

          Fortunately, and I suppose this is where I may be able to put Cllr Freund at ease, the current Motion, as it stands and was authored, makes any potential non-cooperation by Reitzmag a punishable offence in the European Court of Justice. Now, that is not to say this in itself would persuade the Reitzmic military from moving, but it may, in the future, allow for the reconstruction of relations between all of us in a harmonious, and importantly, lawful way."

          Hetty Tilki
          Empire of Inimicus

          The Empire of Inimicus
          Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
          Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
          Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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          • Spain
            Spain last edited by

            I would also like to thank both Councillors Firoux and Falk, and before I leave the chamber, I would like to give a last message for all the Councillors and for all your countries: "We shall raise against those obstacles trying to doom our way. We will make it together, and we will get over this united. Co-operation is essential, let's not break the regulations and co-operate."

            Also, the Commission will be looking closely at the actions and will release a report once we have enough information to do so. We will be asking all factions to send information about casualties and other happenings of interest for me and the other Commissioners.

            Thank you very much.

            Jean-Claude Juncker
            Internal Affairs Commissioner

            The Kingdom of Spain
            His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
            President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
            Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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            • BrumBrum
              BrumBrum Commission last edited by BrumBrum

              Mr Tobias Farage Johnson

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              " I would like to thank nations for their concerns for humanity and the rights of fellow brothers of the human race in East Hahne. It is our view action is needed and needed now. The United Duchies will join in this action as we cannot morally do nothing while people are killed daily and in the most heinous of crimes. Those perpetrating the crimes must be brought to justice and those needing shelter be allowed to get to countries to claim asylum as needed. That is why the United Duchies will be co-operating with our European friends and supporting this act in its fullness as well as supporting any reconstruction aid and policies needed to achieve long term stability.We also will be willing to support a transition democratic government and overseeing of any new elections jointly with European partners. Thank you."

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              • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by

                Hon. Tusk, think you do not understand. My country has the sole sovereignty over its armed forces. We did not enter the European Union for its esteemed institutions to control even our Armed Forces. There is no act or part from the EU Constitution that allows the EU to gain control over a member-state's armed force. We will not follow any foreign directive that had been decided without our consultation. As of now, we don't think that we need to intervene in Eastern Haane. The refugees we retrieved had burnt the temporary housing we installed for them. We have given all the care we could even if it is dangerous. But, I think it would be better if the only state trusted by the Haaneans would intervene. Hence, I suggest that the EU lets Austria to do the job.

                Gen. Sir Mark Carleton-Smith
                Chief of Staff, Royal Army

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                HM King George
                Monarch

                Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                Prime Minister

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                • ?
                  A Former User last edited by

                  (OOC: No, no, and no. As far as I can tell, masters cannot intervene on the behalf of their puppets.)

                  The Federal Republic of Austria will maintain its neutrality, and will not intervene here nor anywhere else. We have let the Haaneans establish their own government in exile not out of support but out of simple kindness, a kindness that all should have. All peoples, in our minds, should be completely sovereign over their own affairs.

                  We do not believe ourselves to be more or less trusted by the Haanean people, either, and do not even have a military, nor intend to create one.

                  In short, all that you have said regarding our state and our country is entirely untrue; all that you have demanded will not come to be.

                  Eugen Freund
                  Councillor for the Federal Republic of Austria

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                  • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                    Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by

                    Hon. Freund, your country is the only state trusted by the Haaneans. I can infer that political ideology had impacted the Haaneans' decision to be against us. It is very well taught in Reitzmic Military School that political ideology should be set aside during missions. I think we should just drop aid to the Haaneans and leave them alone. The Austrians can also do the job. By the way, GCHQ is currently deciding whether we will pull out of the area. That is all I can say for now.

                    Gen. Sir Mark Carleton-Smith
                    Chief of Staff, Royal Army

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                    HM King George
                    Monarch

                    Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                    Prime Minister

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                    • ?
                      A Former User last edited by

                      I must repeat that we have no military, nor do we intend to create one. Such an action would result in the removal of the entire administration from power. At the same time, as far as I can infer from the various releases from the Republic and from Eastern Haane, this has very little to do with political ideology, and more to do with the fact that you were an occupying force. No one wants to be occupied, for it is an encroachment upon the autonomy of nations.

                      Again, we do not believe ourselves to be trusted by the Haaneans any more than any other nation. We will remain with our policy of neutrality. You cannot dictate for us what our government should or should not do.

                      Eugen Freund
                      Councillor for the Federal Republic of Eastern Haane

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                      • Inquista
                        Inquista last edited by

                        Debate is now over. It is time to vote on amendments. There are two amendments, both proposed by Councillor Falk:

                        Amendment I

                        1. This coalition of willing members shall be lead by a commissioned flag officer who shall be appointed by the Premier Commissioner on the consent of participating members. This flag officer shall be from a nation with no previous attachment to operations within Eastern Haane.

                        2. The coalition shall only have legal merit until the 31st of December, 2020. The European Council in the weeks proceeding this expiration shall consider an additional three month extension.

                        Amendment II

                        1. Members of the Coalition intervening in Eastern Haane must inform and brief the European Council on their actions in the territory of Eastern Haane at least once every fortnight 96 Hours.

                        2. Any member state intervening in Eastern Haane, or continuing to do so after the passage of this motion, is hereby condemned by the European Council and may face legal action in the European Court of Justice.
                          a. Member states intervening in Eastern Haane outside of the Coalition, who then join said Coalition within 48 hours of the passage of this motion, may be exempt from measures under this section.
                          b. Any member-states which have engage in open combat with any native elements or groups within Eastern Haane shall not be allowed to take part in further military actions in the nation even as part of the coalition. These member-states shall be allowed to continue humanitarian and medical actions under supervision from the coalition commander. This section shall be appealable to the coalition commander

                        Voting on amendments begins NOW and will last until 07:30 GMT on October 6th, 2020.


                        I vote FOR both amendments.

                        Edward Firoux
                        Council Speaker and Councillor for Inquista

                        siggy.png The Most Blessed State of Inquista
                        Archbishop Mikaela Kligenberg
                        Chief Bishop Secretary Edward Firoux
                        Councillor Karinn Lallana

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                        • Kingdom of Reitzmag
                          Kingdom of Reitzmag Eurocorps last edited by

                          On behalf of the Kingdom of Reitzmag, I vote FOR Amendment I and AGAINST Amendment II.

                          Friedrich van Allen
                          Councilor, Kingdom of Reitzmag

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                          HM King George
                          Monarch

                          Sir Simon Bridges GCB KCMG GCT MP
                          Prime Minister

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                          • Spain
                            Spain last edited by

                            On behalf of the Kingdom of Spain, I vote FOR both amendments.

                            Donald D. Tusk
                            Councillor for Spain

                            The Kingdom of Spain
                            His Majesty the King, Felipe VI
                            President Alberto Núñez-Feijóo
                            Councillor and Council Speaker Donald Tusk

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                            • Inimicus
                              Inimicus EU last edited by

                              The Empire of Inimicus votes FOR both Amendments.

                              Cllr Hetty Tilki
                              Empire of Inimicus

                              The Empire of Inimicus
                              Head of State/Government: Emperor Artabanos (EU Hall of Fame 2021)
                              Vicarius (Deputy): Wilfred Cocx
                              Deputy Speaker of the European Council: Nicholas Benfield

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                              • BrumBrum
                                BrumBrum Commission last edited by BrumBrum

                                On behalf of the United Duchies I vote FOR both amendments
                                Mr Tobias Farage Johnson

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                                • Leagio
                                  Leagio ECoJ last edited by

                                  On behalf of the Commonwealth of Leagio, I vote FOR both Amendments.

                                  Francis Plessis
                                  EU Councilor for Leagio

                                  President of the Commonwealth: Ran Mouri-Kudo (Progressive Alliance Party)
                                  Governor-General of the Commonwealth: Magic Kaito (Leagioan Pact of Democracy)
                                  EU Councilor for Leagio: Francis Plessis (CPP/ EDLR)

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                                  • Vayinaod
                                    Vayinaod EU last edited by

                                    On behalf of the Archrepublic of Vayinaod, I vote FOR both amendments.

                                    Cllr. Carita Falk

                                    Arch-Konsul: Kristian Nylund (Greens)
                                    Ruling Coalition: Greens, Moderates
                                    EU Councillor : Carita Falk (Greens-Independent)

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                                    • Fremet
                                      Fremet EU last edited by

                                      On behalf of the Kingdom of Fremet, I vote FOR both amendments.

                                      Charles Michel
                                      Councilor for the Kingdom of Fremet

                                      Statsminister Erna Solberg
                                      EU Cllr Charles Michel
                                      #FortressFremet

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                                      • Nofoaga
                                        Nofoaga EU last edited by

                                        I vote FOR both amendments.

                                        Mrs. Paul-Gabrielle Muzhare
                                        EU Councilor for the Republic of Nofoaga

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                                          Montenbourg EU last edited by

                                          On behalf of the Kingdom of Montenbourg, I vote FOR both amendments.

                                          Emma Granger
                                          Councillor for Montenbourg

                                          🇩🇰 The Kingdom of Montenbourg
                                          👑HM Victoria the First, Queen of Montenbourg
                                          🏛️PM Rt. Hon. Birgitte Nyborg
                                          🌟 Councillor Emma Granger.

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                                            Czech Slavia EU last edited by

                                            On behalf of the Democratic Republic of Czech Slavia, I vote FOR both amendments.

                                            Václav Kohout
                                            Councillor for the Democratic Republic of Czech Slavia

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